esoteric7t7 Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) Hi, Im new to the forums here but I've been using Imgburn for quite some time! I recently bought a Blu Ray Burner, LG WH10LS30 and have made a lot of succseful burns, Im very happy! My problem is that I have a file I wish to burn to BD-R DL disc but I get an error saying not enough space on disc. The file size is 50,050,629,632 bytes and Imgburn says that the free space on disc is 50,050,629,632 bytes so it's exactly the same size. It's actally and ISO file that I want to burn the file to a disc so that I can keep it in ISO format to make future copies from, it's a backup of my Avatar 3D Disc. So anyway I have been able to burn the ISO to disc using write Image file to disc but when I use Build mode and just put the ISO file in it says I dont have enough space. When I use the calculate option I can get two different answers, depending on which version of UDF I choose. UDF 1.02 tells me i have -589,824 bytes and UDF 2.50 tells me there is -917,504 How come I cannot burn this file that is the same size as the free space on disc? I also have another question, I have burned a few images (iso) of 3D blurays to BD-R DL discs using Burn image to disc and they work great in my Sony 3D Blu Ray Player (BDV-E980W) on my 3DTV but I think that my player is quite forgiving if the settings aren't right, I know others arn't quite so friendly, So Im not sure what settings I should be using. I notice that some people have said you should use UDF 2.50 but I had been using UDF 1.02 as that is what it had defaulted to. So I would really appreciate if someone can tell me exactly which settings should be changed from default to make the burn as compatible as possible with all players. and just so that it's right and I'll learn some things for the future. I have tried searching and googling the forums but I haven't come across any real straight guide on exactly what settings should be used. Also included is the log from IMGburn when trying to write the file which is same size as free space on disc, I'm using Taiyo Yuden BD-R DL, the label on the spindle says That's BD-R DL the rest is in japanese A window pop's up saying that im trying to burn a ISO to disc and do I want to continue to burn it as a file and I choose to burn as file. It then asks what I want to label it, Then another popup says: 1 File, 0 Folders Content Type: Data File System(s):UDF (1.02) Volume Label: AVATAR_3D Size: 50,050,629,632 bytes Sectors: 24,438,784 Image Size: 50,051,219,456 bytes Image Sectors: 24,439,072 Oh also it asks me if I want to overburn or truncate. SO I cancel So I notice that it is saying that the image is a different size after I try to burn it. Right clicking the file in windows says that the file size is 50,050,629,632 bytes and it also says that in IMGburn until I press the burn icon and that window pop's up saying that its all of a sudden larger than before... I 16:44:46 ImgBurn Version 2.5.6.0 started! I 16:44:46 Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Edition (6.1, Build 7601 : Service Pack 1) I 16:44:46 Total Physical Memory: 8,387,056 KB - Available: 5,220,108 KB I 16:44:46 Initialising SPTI... I 16:44:46 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 16:44:46 -> Drive 1 - Info: HL-DT-ST BD-RE WH10LS30 1.00-A9 (E:) (ATAPI) I 16:44:46 -> Drive 2 - Info: ELBY CLONEDRIVE 1.4 (N:) (SCSI) I 16:44:46 Found 1 BD-ROM/HD DVD-ROM and 1 BD-RE! W 16:44:55 User is attempting to burn an image file in 'Build' mode. I 16:44:55 Operation Started! I 16:44:55 Building Image Tree... I 16:44:56 Calculating Totals... I 16:44:56 Preparing Image... I 16:44:56 Contents: 1 File, 0 Folders I 16:44:56 Content Type: Data I 16:44:56 Data Type: MODE1/2048 I 16:44:56 File System(s): UDF (1.02) I 16:44:56 Volume Label: [Not Configured] I 16:44:56 Size: 50,050,629,632 bytes I 16:44:56 Sectors: 24,438,784 I 16:44:56 Image Size: 50,051,219,456 bytes I 16:44:56 Image Sectors: 24,439,072 I 16:44:56 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:00 W 16:45:00 User is attempting to burn an image file in 'Build' mode. I 16:45:00 Operation Started! I 16:45:00 Building Image Tree... I 16:45:03 Calculating Totals... I 16:45:03 Preparing Image... I 16:45:03 Contents: 1 File, 0 Folders I 16:45:03 Content Type: Data I 16:45:03 Data Type: MODE1/2048 I 16:45:03 File System(s): UDF (1.02) I 16:45:03 Volume Label: AVATAR_3D I 16:45:03 Size: 50,050,629,632 bytes I 16:45:03 Sectors: 24,438,784 I 16:45:03 Image Size: 50,051,219,456 bytes I 16:45:03 Image Sectors: 24,439,072 I 16:45:08 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:07 So there we have it... Thanks in advance, Any help is appreciated! Sincerely, esoteric7t7 Here's the process I go through: Filesize of the file I want to burn: Part1 Part2 Part3 part4 Part5 I press Cancel as I dont want to make a $5 coaster Edited March 10, 2012 by esoteric7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esoteric7t7 Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) Not sure why but it lost all the formatting I had #092; so now its all a mess... sorry EDIT: nevermind I edited and fixed it. Edited March 10, 2012 by esoteric7t7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIGHTNING UK! Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 When you burn something in Build mode, you're wrapping the files up inside another ISO container and that involves adding a file system around them. That file system info takes up space, which is why the new ISO ends up being too big for the disc. So for that file, it's simply not possible. ImgBurn detects when you're building a BD Video image and will prompt you if your settings aren't right. There's also a BD Video guide in the guides forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esoteric7t7 Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 Ok, Damn I like to backup all my ISO's and not being able to do it for Avatar sucks. maybe I can zip/rar the iso and span it across 2 BD-R 25gb's or maybe it will make it just a tiny bit smaller, enough to fit on a single DL BD-R. but the point was to be able to make a new copy very quickly and easily by putting in the disc with the iso in and making a new disc from that image. Thanks for your help though! appreciated P.S. so there's no way to make the filesystem a bit smaller? i mean its a matter of such a small amount that it wont fit by.. I was hoping that maybe there was some setting that could reduce the size taken up by the leadin/leadout or something making it just squeeze in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIGHTNING UK! Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Would you be reading the disc with the ISO on it in one drive and writing it on another at the same time? I guess you must be or what you're doing is no quicker/easier than just reading a properly burnt disc to a new image and then burning another copy. Then again, I only see 1 drive mentioned in your log so you can't be. There's no difference in drag+dropping the an ISO from a disc to making a new one with ImgBurn's Read mode. You're going to end up with the exact same file on your hdd. It wouldn't matter even if the file system *could* be made smaller, as you've already said, the ISO you're burning is the *exact* size of the BD-R DL discs. You haven't even got 1 sector to spare. You can't do anything to change how much free space there is on a disc. If you zip/rar the file it may well give you the extra bit of headroom you need. It'll take a while to compress 50gb though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esoteric7t7 Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 Yeah I was planning on using the ISO to make images from, either by copying the ISO to disk or using a second drive to read and the burner to write.. nevermind what I've done is rar the iso and even with a recovery record (incaase of scratches it's given me a few gigabytes more to play with, extraction time seems to be under 20mins so that will do. I've decided to split the rar's over 2 25gb discs as theyre jjust so much cheaper, now that I can't just have the ISO on a disc the way I wanted it doesnt really matter anyway. It was just for making a quick hassle free disc, nevermind. I know that with Nintendo Wii discs they put a lot of filler on them so that they always fill the entire disc, even if the real data is only 500mb they fill the rest of a DVD with "rubbish" and there are program so that when you make an ISO of them it can remove the "rubbish" and make your iso a lot smaller, you don't think that they might have done something similar with Avatar 3D? It just seems weird for the iso to be the exact size of a 50gb disc, not one byte spare...This must be on purpose. anyway my question is answered and solved. Thanks!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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