Beck38 Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 (edited) I've been using the program (and kept it updated) literally for years. I burn lots (LOTS) of data discs all the time, and it appears to still be working fine. A few years back, I did do some burning of BR discs (BD25's) and had no problem, obviously this was several versions ago. But in the last day I had the need to do so again, so re-checked my settings and the 'tutorial' and it seemed I hadn't forgotten anything settings wise. So off I go, luckily burning to a BD-RW (I always do before committing to a permanent). No Go. The burning appears to work fine, the 'verify' passed (I ALWAYS verify!), but the disc simply will not play in any of my BR players (I have 6 scattered around the house... yes, it's a bit much, but everyone gives out 'free' BR players when buying a new flatscreen, a new home theater box, you name it). Now, the tutorial specifies that one use: MODEL1/2048 UDF 2.50 which is what my (possibly poor) memory says is right, and is the same setting(s) I use for data discs. But again, the result(s) simply will not play. The source file(s) WILL play across the network to (here we go again) several media players that play BR (and DVD) discs across the network, so from the standpoint of that, it works fine. Just not from the burned media (some of those players have BR disc players as well, and they won't play the burned discs either). So, I'm at a halt here. I figure there must be some 'trick' I['m missing out on, but for the life of me I can't remember it, or find it on the site here The RW discs are okay (Verbatim) and check out, and of course do pass verify. This did work, again, several years ago. ??? I'll try another burn after re-installing (v.2.5.8.0) and will post the log here in a couple hours. Here it is; nothing jumps out at me: I 19:42:17 ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 started!I 19:42:17 Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium x64 Edition (6.0, Build 6002 : ServicePack 2)I 19:42:17 Total Physical Memory: 8,385,756 KiB - Available: 6,776,036 KiBW 19:42:17 AnyDVD can interfere with ImgBurn's ability to verify accurately, pleaseensure it's disabled!I 19:42:17 Initialising SPTI...I 19:42:17 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...I 19:42:17 -> Drive 1 - Info: DTSOFT BDROM 1.05 (K:) (Virtual)I 19:42:18 -> Drive 2 - Info: PIONEER BD-RW BDR-205 1.08-GENERAL (J:) (ATA)I 19:42:18 Found 1 BD-ROM and 1 BD-RE!I 20:06:08 Operation Started!I 20:06:08 Device: [3:1:0] PIONEER BD-RW BDR-205 1.08 (J:) (ATA)I 20:06:08 Media Type: BD-RE (Disc ID: VERBAT-IM0-000)I 20:06:08 Media Supported Write Speeds: 2xI 20:06:08 Quick Erase: YesI 20:06:08 Erasing Disc...I 20:06:19 Synchronising Cache...I 20:06:19 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:11I 20:06:33 Operation Started!I 20:06:33 Building Image Tree...I 20:06:42 Calculating Totals...I 20:06:42 Preparing Image...I 20:06:42 Contents: 1,098 Files, 23 FoldersI 20:06:42 Content Type: BD VideoI 20:06:42 Data Type: MODE1/2048I 20:06:42 File System(s): UDF (2.50)I 20:06:42 Volume Label: DISC2I 20:06:42 Size: 24,494,514,436 bytesI 20:06:42 Sectors: 11,960,916I 20:06:42 Image Size: 24,501,551,104 bytesI 20:06:42 Image Sectors: 11,963,648E 20:06:44 Operation Aborted! - Duration: 00:00:11I 20:06:46 Operation Started!I 20:06:46 Building Image Tree...I 20:06:53 Calculating Totals...I 20:06:53 Preparing Image...I 20:06:53 Contents: 1,098 Files, 23 FoldersI 20:06:53 Content Type: BD VideoI 20:06:53 Data Type: MODE1/2048I 20:06:53 File System(s): UDF (2.50)I 20:06:53 Volume Label: DISC2I 20:06:53 Size: 24,494,514,436 bytesI 20:06:53 Sectors: 11,960,916I 20:06:53 Image Size: 24,501,551,104 bytesI 20:06:53 Image Sectors: 11,963,648I 20:06:55 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:08I 20:06:55 Operation Started!I 20:06:55 Source File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-I 20:06:55 Source File Sectors: 11,963,648 (MODE1/2048)I 20:06:55 Source File Size: 24,501,551,104 bytesI 20:06:55 Source File Volume Identifier: DISC2I 20:06:55 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 434BA0D700B68834I 20:06:55 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0I 20:06:55 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurnI 20:06:55 Source File File System(s): UDF (2.50)I 20:06:55 Destination Device: [3:1:0] PIONEER BD-RW BDR-205 1.08 (J:) (ATA)I 20:06:55 Destination Media Type: BD-RE (Disc ID: VERBAT-IM0-000)I 20:06:55 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 2xI 20:06:55 Destination Media Sectors: 12,219,392I 20:06:55 Write Mode: BDI 20:06:55 Write Type: DAOI 20:06:55 Write Speed: 4xI 20:06:55 Hardware Defect Management Active: NoI 20:06:55 BD-RE FastWrite: NoI 20:06:55 Link Size: AutoI 20:06:55 Lock Volume: YesI 20:06:55 Test Mode: NoI 20:06:55 OPC: NoI 20:06:55 BURN-Proof: EnabledW 20:06:55 Write Speed Miscompare! - Wanted: 17,982 KB/s (4x), Got: 8,990 KB/s (2x)W 20:06:55 The drive only supports writing these discs at 2x.I 20:06:55 Advanced Settings - Optimal Writing Speed: NoI 20:06:55 Filling Buffer... (40 MiB)I 20:06:57 Writing LeadIn...I 20:06:58 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 11963647)I 20:06:58 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 11963647)I 20:52:35 Synchronising Cache...I 20:52:36 Exporting Graph Data...I 20:52:36 Graph Data File: C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph DataFiles\PIONEER_BD-RW_BDR-205_1.08_FRIDAY-OCTOBER-11-2013_8-06_PM_VERBAT-IM0-000_4x.ibgI 20:52:36 Export Successfully Completed!I 20:52:36 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:45:41I 20:52:36 Average Write Rate: 8,742 KiB/s (2.0x) - Maximum Write Rate: 8,830 KiB/s(2.0x)I 20:52:36 Cycling Tray before Verify...I 20:52:55 Device Ready!I 20:52:56 Operation Started!I 20:52:56 Source Device: [3:1:0] PIONEER BD-RW BDR-205 1.08 (J:) (ATA)I 20:52:56 Source Media Type: BD-RE (Disc ID: VERBAT-IM0-000)I 20:52:56 Source Media Supported Read Speeds: 8xI 20:52:56 Source Media Supported Write Speeds: 2xI 20:52:56 Source Media Sectors: 12,219,392I 20:52:56 Source Media Size: 25,025,314,816 bytesI 20:52:56 Image File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-I 20:52:56 Image File Sectors: 11,963,648 (MODE1/2048)I 20:52:56 Image File Size: 24,501,551,104 bytesI 20:52:56 Image File Volume Identifier: DISC2I 20:52:56 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 434BA0D700B68834I 20:52:56 Image File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0I 20:52:56 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurnI 20:52:56 Image File File System(s): UDF (2.50)I 20:52:56 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAXI 20:52:57 Read Speed - Effective: 3.3x - 8xI 20:52:57 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 11963647)I 20:52:57 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 11963647)I 21:09:11 Exporting Graph Data...I 21:09:11 Graph Data File: C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph DataFiles\PIONEER_BD-RW_BDR-205_1.08_FRIDAY-OCTOBER-11-2013_8-06_PM_VERBAT-IM0-000_4x.ibgI 21:09:11 Export Successfully Completed!I 21:09:11 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:16:13I 21:09:11 Average Verify Rate: 24,616 KiB/s (5.6x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 34,955 KiB/s(8.0x) Result: No difference. Disc refuses to play in any player (starts up, then stalls). Stand-alone types tend to give out a 'disc dirty' message, for whatever reason. Several recent BD-RW and BD25 burns (not BD's but MKV's) play perfectly. FYI, I thought the logfile would have it, but it doesn't. This is on a Vista/64 box, 6core AMD CPU, 8GB ram, (2) 1TB SATA drives. Edited October 12, 2013 by Beck38
Beck38 Posted October 12, 2013 Author Posted October 12, 2013 (edited) Okay, I continued to try and figure this out. Found a posing on another website that takes ImgBurn to task for making the 'prefer format without spare areas' as default, and the poster had run this down as the reason why burning to BD-RE disc types failed. Now. way back when, when I did some burning 'straight to disc' was at least 3 years ago, and I had some Ritek BD-RE's I had formatted, but had bought a file of Verbatim's later on (and formatted them) and thought perhaps that particular setting had been changed in the interim so pulled out one of the 'original' Riteks and tried burning, but with the same result unfortunately. Will try re-formatting one of the Verbatim's (with that particular setting 'unchecked' and give it a run. I searched back for this particular problem on this site, and their were 'hints' as to it, but not very specific. But the complaint was very specific on that other site, and I didn't try burning to a BD-R (at $1 a piece) so tie up my machine with the BD Burner (Pioneer) later this morning re-formatting a disc, and give that a whirl (again, since the 'source' data plays perfectly fine on my network players, just not from the BD-RE's I try to burn). Oh... just for fun, I 'made' a Imgburn ISO from the original disc structure and burned that. Same (didn't work) result, although again my network players played the ISO just fine, thank you. Now on to the formatting. Edited October 12, 2013 by Beck38
Beck38 Posted October 12, 2013 Author Posted October 12, 2013 Well, nope, nothing works. Broke down and did a BD-R burn, it doesn't work. There is something wrong in the way this program is 'working' (or not), when burning/creating actual BluRay format discs. The tutorial must be missing some piece of information, or something else is wrong. Here is the logfile from the BD-R Burn: I 11:02:45 ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 started!I 11:02:45 Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium x64 Edition (6.0, Build 6002 : Service Pack 2)I 11:02:45 Total Physical Memory: 8,385,756 KiB - Available: 6,657,032 KiBW 11:02:45 AnyDVD can interfere with ImgBurn's ability to verify accurately, please ensure it's disabled!I 11:02:45 Initialising SPTI...I 11:02:45 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...I 11:02:45 -> Drive 1 - Info: DTSOFT BDROM 1.05 (K:) (Virtual)I 11:02:46 -> Drive 2 - Info: PIONEER BD-RW BDR-205 1.08-GENERAL (J:) (ATA)I 11:02:46 Found 1 BD-ROM and 1 BD-RE!I 11:05:26 Operation Started!I 11:05:26 Building Image Tree...I 11:05:29 Calculating Totals...I 11:05:29 Preparing Image...I 11:05:29 Contents: 1,101 Files, 23 FoldersI 11:05:29 Content Type: BD VideoI 11:05:29 Data Type: MODE1/2048I 11:05:29 File System(s): UDF (2.50)I 11:05:29 Volume Label: DISC2I 11:05:29 Size: 24,494,700,300 bytesI 11:05:29 Sectors: 11,961,009I 11:05:29 Image Size: 24,501,747,712 bytesI 11:05:29 Image Sectors: 11,963,744I 11:05:54 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:28I 11:05:54 Operation Started!I 11:05:54 Source File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-I 11:05:54 Source File Sectors: 11,963,744 (MODE1/2048)I 11:05:54 Source File Size: 24,501,747,712 bytesI 11:05:54 Source File Volume Identifier: DISC2I 11:05:54 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 434C58AD00B68891I 11:05:54 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0I 11:05:54 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurnI 11:05:54 Source File File System(s): UDF (2.50)I 11:05:54 Destination Device: [3:1:0] PIONEER BD-RW BDR-205 1.08 (J:) (ATA)I 11:05:54 Destination Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: RITEK-BR2-000)I 11:05:54 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 10xI 11:05:54 Destination Media Sectors: 12,219,392I 11:05:54 Write Mode: BDI 11:05:54 Write Type: DAOI 11:05:54 Write Speed: 4xI 11:05:54 Hardware Defect Management Active: NoI 11:05:54 BD-R Verify Not Required: YesI 11:05:54 Link Size: AutoI 11:05:54 Lock Volume: YesI 11:05:54 Test Mode: NoI 11:05:54 OPC: NoI 11:05:54 BURN-Proof: EnabledI 11:05:54 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 17,980 KB/s (4x)I 11:05:54 Advanced Settings - Optimal Writing Speed: NoI 11:05:54 Filling Buffer... (40 MiB)I 11:05:56 Writing LeadIn...I 11:06:14 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 11963743)I 11:06:14 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 11963743)I 11:29:09 Synchronising Cache...I 11:29:10 Closing Track...I 11:29:11 Finalising Disc...I 11:29:20 Exporting Graph Data...I 11:29:20 Graph Data File: C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\PIONEER_BD-RW_BDR-205_1.08_SATURDAY-OCTOBER-12-2013_11-05_AM_RITEK-BR2-000_4x.ibgI 11:29:20 Export Successfully Completed!I 11:29:20 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:23:26I 11:29:20 Average Write Rate: 17,414 KiB/s (4.0x) - Maximum Write Rate: 17,626 KiB/s (4.0x)I 11:29:20 Cycling Tray before Verify...I 11:29:38 Device Ready!I 11:29:38 Operation Started!I 11:29:38 Source Device: [3:1:0] PIONEER BD-RW BDR-205 1.08 (J:) (ATA)I 11:29:38 Source Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: RITEK-BR2-000)I 11:29:38 Source Media Supported Read Speeds: 8xI 11:29:38 Source Media Supported Write Speeds: 2x, 4x, 6x, 8x, 10xI 11:29:38 Source Media Sectors: 11,963,744I 11:29:38 Source Media Size: 24,501,747,712 bytesI 11:29:38 Image File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-I 11:29:39 Image File Sectors: 11,963,744 (MODE1/2048)I 11:29:39 Image File Size: 24,501,747,712 bytesI 11:29:39 Image File Volume Identifier: DISC2I 11:29:39 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 434C58AD00B68891I 11:29:39 Image File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0I 11:29:39 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurnI 11:29:39 Image File File System(s): UDF (2.50)I 11:29:39 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAXI 11:29:40 Read Speed - Effective: 3.3x - 8xI 11:29:40 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 11963743)I 11:29:40 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 11963743)I 11:45:50 Exporting Graph Data...I 11:45:50 Graph Data File: C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\PIONEER_BD-RW_BDR-205_1.08_SATURDAY-OCTOBER-12-2013_11-05_AM_RITEK-BR2-000_4x.ibgI 11:45:50 Export Successfully Completed!I 11:45:50 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:16:10I 11:45:50 Average Verify Rate: 24,692 KiB/s (5.6x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 35,000 KiB/s (8.0x)And oh, btw, this is the first 'coaster' I've burned in at least 3 years. I knew the BD-RW's were trying to tell me something. So, I'm back at ground zero.
spinningwheel Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 You are burning and verifying the burn without problems, so blaming the program is not in order here. ImgBurn is telling you that you have an exact copy of what you want to burn. Take a look at the original Iso and/or whatever you used to create it. Make sure AnyDVD is disabled when you burn. When burning do nothing else with the system until it is completely done and see if that helps. Make sure ImgBurn is set to it's default settings.
Beck38 Posted October 12, 2013 Author Posted October 12, 2013 (edited) I re-installed the program yesterday, just to make sure it hadn't been corrupted; the settings are at default. AnyDVD is disabled, unless I'm actually ripping something I turn if 'off' anyway (grayed out) just to make sure. I've re-ripped the disc 4 times, twice to files and twice to ISO (re-burning that last ISO rip as I write this, I'm a glutton for punishment). Every rip I've done plays perfectly with the several network players I own. No burn plays in the 6 players I own (up to and including the newest, a Samsung 3D capable player; actually, it's kinda the worst feature wise, although it does do 3D, it was 'free') I've burned to several discs, both BD-RW (Ritek and Verbatim) and to BD-R (Ritek), first coaster in about 3 years. I've followed the 'How To' at http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?/topic/9512-how-to-write-a-blu-ray-video-disc-using-imgburn/ to the letter when burning files; ISO burns, there isn't much (if anything) to actually 'set'. And yes, all that horsepower and whatever, IMGBurn is the only program running outside of a couple windows explorers and such. I don't even have any anti-virus/anti-malware installed on that machine, as I don't use it to browse the internet or d/l anything (it's my 7th machine, so it literally has only a couple tasks in life to do, and is behind three (yes, three) h/w firewalls both in my local network and my VPN/ISP. Also on it's own UPS (1KW) for good measure. I have the 'original' tested BD-R burns I dug up yesterday after I ran into problems. I just don't think there was any 'special' settings I did to produce them, except of course it was 3+ years ago and several IMGBurn versions ago. Something to do with Vista64? I have another machine that's a Vista/32 with the same model (Pioneer) bluray burner in it if I get really desperate. These machines have had Win7 on them years back, but networking problems made me take them back to the shop and Vista put on them. I may be the only person in the world (although I doubt it) that had Win7 muck up their network so badly (it's a mix of windows and linux) where Vista was a 'solution' (!!). But there it is. Edited October 12, 2013 by Beck38
LIGHTNING UK! Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 Make an ISO from those same source files, mount it in a virtual drive (Virtual CloneDrive etc) and then play it via a proper BD video software player (PowerDVD etc). If that works, it should also work when burnt to disc - in that same software player anyway. Playing the raw files isn't the same as playing the disc as a proper BD video disc. A straight copy of an unprotected disc to an ISO and then burning back to a new blank should work fine though... there no real room for error in that.
Beck38 Posted October 13, 2013 Author Posted October 13, 2013 (edited) PowerDVD plays the ripped file just fine, both the ISO rip (takes off the instant Daemon tools mounts it from the hard drive, or as soon as the burned disc is inserted) and the file (BDMV/Certificate) rip. Burn either to disc, both don't work on a 'standard' stand alone, or a network player with BR disc player (which, btw, plays those files across the network just like PowerDVD does, right away with no hesitation whatsoever). You're right in that the ISO 'should' have no room for error, but although it plays fine on both the PC and through a network media player, the burned disc starts up then stalls right at loading. I tend to get blinders on with problems such as this, so I pulled out another BD disc I knew to be BD25 size (secondary or 'bonus' disc of a 2-disc set are prime candidates) but it acted just the same, playing perfectly in any format directly from the ripped source and stalling right after loading on any burned media. One of the other 'paths' I've tripped across is to attempt to 'filter' the ripped files through tsMuxr and see what happens (grasping a bit at straws here), but it's kind of Edison like, trying every conceivable way one can figure may get it to work. Something is keeping it from loading up, I've even seen where folks have said that if a 'proper' disc lacks any copy protection it won't play on a standard player. Interesting idea, except I have several discs that don't have any (independent studio and such) that have no problems playing. The way it appears the players are acting is as if the Certificate folder isn't there. However, once again, I have noticed several discs I have don't have a Certificate folder whatsoever yet play just fine. Well, I'm a bit on the running out of options to try, just a couple more and I'm out of ideas. Could it be my drive? I have two machines, each with the same drive (checking f/w).; the older is old, it was the drive I originally burned 'discs that played', so ran a burn test and.... no go yet again, but used the newest vr. of ImgBurn. So that's another thing that gets checked off. Sill have not gotten a single burned disc to work. The biggest thing that has changed is the version of IMGBurn. I still have all the versions going back to Aug09 so I think I'll be giving that a try. Edited October 13, 2013 by Beck38
Beck38 Posted October 15, 2013 Author Posted October 15, 2013 Success! But I had to go all the way back to v2.5.1 to make it work! Where exactly IMGBurn went 'off the tracks' is a good question, perhaps someone who has the time can tear into the program internals to figure it out. One thing I did find out is that IMGBurn has gotten a VERY POOR rating from most folks/sites of late, mostly due to all the spamware/baggage it seems to have collected up lately; I'm sure that folks don't mind it IF they have the opportunity to 'opt out' (even the old 2.5.1 had something, but was easily refused). But beyond that, usability and operability is at question here. When it lost the ability to properly burn is a good question. If I was still working for a living, I'd give you a quote on what my services would cost to 'hunt it down'. But I think some young person with all their full facilties would do a better job. But I continue to test 2.5.1, but I'm pretty sure everything that I remember that works in the past, still works. Just not on any of the newer versions (in particular 2.5.8!)
LIGHTNING UK! Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 If the last version to work correctly for burning BD Video discs was 2.5.1.0, you'd surely find tons of similar threads here on the forum... and obviously that's not the case at all. The code that does the actual burning hasn't really changed between that version and the current one. If you logged every single I/O command from each version, you'd see they're identical - there's very little scope for change with these things! I don't like to dismiss reports like yours though so what I'll do now is burn a BD25 ISO (with a file system created by something else) to a BD-RE and test it in my Sony standalone and also my PS3 - sorry but they're all I have available. I'll then do the same with a BDMV folder (so ImgBurn is actually building the file system) and report back when I'm done. There's no doubt in my mind that both will work just fine. btw, you should update the firmware on your drive. http://www.firmwarehq.com/Pioneer/BDR-205/files.html
LIGHTNING UK! Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 Update 1... The ISO burnt and verified fine with an LG BH12LS38 FW:1.02-D0 on a Verbatim BD-RE. It played perfectly (I tried every chapter) in a Sony BDP-S570 and Sony PS3. It also played in PowerDVD 11 and TMT 5 on the PC. Update 2... The BDMV folder burnt and verified fine with an LG BH12LS38 FW:1.02-D0 on a Verbatim BD-RE. It played perfectly (I tried every chapter) in a Sony BDP-S570 and Sony PS3. It also played in PowerDVD 11 and TMT 5 on the PC.
DCal Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 Hi Lightning UK, After reading the update you sent and after I burned another flawless 50GB disc I have come to the conclusion I have a spindle of 50 disc that had 30 from one lot that was fine and a balance of 20 disc that may have been a different lot which happen to be trash as that is where they are now residing, in my trash bin. I am going to erase and reburn the BD-RE 25GB VERBATIMs I have and that should confirm my belief regarding the thought that the last 20 disc are simply no good, I will let you know if this is the case in the morning when I can get this done, Thanks for the help, I do appreciate it, Daniel
Beck38 Posted October 17, 2013 Author Posted October 17, 2013 I would suggest that you put down the disaster (according to WIRED) of the health care site programming, and stop trying to be the tail that wags the dog. By blaming the user or the firmware of the burning drive for the problem, when it did work (obviously and now confirmed) at one point, that something changed, and it isn't the drive or the user. It's the programmer. Proof Positive here. Sorry, but I went back to school three times during my career and spent a better than fair piece running around the country firing folks (watch 'up in the air' for a good example of 30 years of my life, I put a good 10,000 programmers and engineers out on the street over those years), so you need to take a really hard look at what's going on with your program.
LIGHTNING UK! Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Ok, I'm sure you know a lot more about this stuff than I do. *sigh*
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