Kenadjian Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 Here is some proof that these things are pure garbage, these discs were burnt less than 12 months ago. HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4480B 1.05 (ATA) Current Profile: DVD-ROM Disc Information: Status: Complete Erasable: No Sessions: 1 Sectors: 2,286,112 Size: 4,681,957,376 bytes Time: 508:03:37 (MM:SS:FF) Physical Format Information (Last Recorded): Disc ID: CMC MAG-E01-00 Book Type: DVD-ROM Part Version: 1 Disc Size: 120mm Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified Number of Layers: 1 Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP) Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit Track Density: 0.74 um/track First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608 Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 2,482,719 Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0 I 05:54:02 ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 started! I 05:54:02 Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional (5.0, Build 2195 : Service Pack 4) I 05:54:02 Initialising SPTI... I 05:54:02 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 05:54:02 Found 1 DVD-ROM, 1 DVD-ROM/CD-RW and 1 DVD?RW/RAM! W 05:54:04 Program 'Debug Mode' has been Enabled! D 05:56:08 Disc Capacity: 1802127 I 05:59:20 Abort Request Acknowledged I 05:59:46 Operation Started! I 05:59:46 Source Device: [1:0:0] HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4480B 1.05 (H:) (ATA) I 05:59:46 Source Media Type: DVD-ROM I 05:59:46 Source Media Sectors: 1,802,128 I 05:59:46 Source Media Size: 3,690,758,144 bytes I 05:59:46 Verify Against Image File: No I 05:59:46 Verifying Sectors... E 05:59:46 Failed to Verify Sectors! E 05:59:46 Operation Aborted! - Duration: 00:00:00 I 05:59:46 Average Verify Rate: N/A - Maximum Verify Rate: N/A D 06:00:15 Disc Capacity: 2286111 I 06:00:35 Operation Started! I 06:00:35 Source Device: [1:0:0] HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4480B 1.05 (H:) (ATA) I 06:00:35 Source Media Type: DVD-ROM I 06:00:35 Source Media Sectors: 2,286,112 I 06:00:35 Source Media Size: 4,681,957,376 bytes I 06:00:35 Verify Against Image File: No I 06:00:35 Verifying Sectors... W 06:01:03 Failed to read Sector 710 - Unrecovered Read Error W 06:01:13 Failed to read Sector 711 - Unrecovered Read Error W 06:01:21 Failed to read Sector 712 - Unrecovered Read Error W 06:01:30 Failed to read Sector 713 - Unrecovered Read Error W 06:01:39 Failed to read Sector 714 - Unrecovered Read Error W 06:01:48 Failed to read Sector 715 - Unrecovered Read Error W 06:01:56 Failed to read Sector 716 - Unrecovered Read Error E 06:02:05 Failed to read Sector 717 - Unrecovered Read Error E 06:02:05 Failed to Verify Sectors! E 06:02:05 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:01:30 I 06:02:05 Average Verify Rate: 15 KB/s (0.0x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 15 KB/s (0.0x) D 06:02:06 Disc Capacity: 2286111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 They are absolute garbage. My experiences were even unfinished burns or verifies. I still lobby that the only use for CMC's is to use them as bikini tops. That they even were useful immediately after burning was a surprise. I absolutely despise those manufactuers who make cheap ass discs that FINSIH burning, verifying, reading, and re-imaging to test readablity and then, a year later, are unreadable. Stuff that the fuckers trick you with into thinking is good. Like how Optodisc used to make a decent DVD-R, then, switched to CMC, then to CMC quality BUT used a generic OPTODISCK label so you weren't certain if they decent Optodiscs or CMC Optodiscs. After they tricked me once, shame on them, and no more profit from me for them. And, others like Vanguard and that ANS01 or whatever stuff. Princo, too. I received a "professional" DVD release that was obviously a burned DVD writable disc... AND it was a Princo! Copied that sucker right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polopony Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 I still lobby that the only use for CMC's is to use them as bikini tops. you are a genius no denying it and in the category of best use of a CMC MAG disc the award goes to (opening envelope ) DB MINTER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinningwheel Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 I... never expected... to ever win this prestigious award! I'd like to thank me, without whom, I wouldn't be possible. I'd like to thank all the little people I stepped over to get where I am today. I'd like to thank the Prince Of Darkness for being there when I needed him most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundrush Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 =)) Accepted like a true star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevdriver Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 db..................... truly amazing........................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenadjian Posted October 15, 2006 Author Share Posted October 15, 2006 Like how Optodisc used to make a decent DVD-R, then, switched to CMC, then to CMC quality BUT used a generic OPTODISCK label so you weren't certain if they decent Optodiscs or CMC Optodiscs. After they tricked me once, shame on them, and no more profit from me for them. Same here DB, believe or not these were TDK branded discs, I have not bought a single TDK disc sinse that day. The sad part is that I burnt about ten of these discs, they were all good porn too. #39;( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevdriver Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Sad stuff, too think back in the days of VHS and Cassette media, TDK was a highly regarded name........ . Too bad they sold out to profits over quality............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenadjian Posted October 15, 2006 Author Share Posted October 15, 2006 Yeah kev, I even wrote to them experessing my concern, their attatude was one of 'we don't give a shit' take it or leave it, so I left it. Stupid bastards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grain Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 I agree wholeheartedly. Strange thing is, CMC makes the good Verbatims, yet can't make a good one of their own to save their life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 TDK used to make a fantastic VHS. Now, they're absolute Wal-Mart junk. I fell out with TDK when I found some CD-RW's of theirs that were CMC! As for CMC, strangely, they seem to be able to make good DVD+ material. The only CMC's I've found that worked were DVD+ format. But, they're too fickle. Too much junk to trust the actual good stuff with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevdriver Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 I agree wholeheartedly. Strange thing is, CMC makes the good Verbatims, yet can't make a good one of their own to save their life. Your Kidding of course........ aren't you. I never knew that ! As you say then, that begs the question, if CMC can make dye for top media like Verbatim, then why the hell can't they do it for themselves. Would make more sense to capture a bigger share of the market by making good quality CMC MAG discs and selling for a bit higher price then to settle for a lower end of the market by producing cheap crappy dyes for there own labeled discs........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinningwheel Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 I don't think quality is of concern for them since they are rebadged by just about everyone and HP is their US frontman.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grain Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 I agree wholeheartedly. Strange thing is, CMC makes the good Verbatims, yet can't make a good one of their own to save their life. Your Kidding of course........ aren't you. I never knew that ! As you say then, that begs the question, if CMC can make dye for top media like Verbatim, then why the hell can't they do it for themselves. Would make more sense to capture a bigger share of the market by making good quality CMC MAG discs and selling for a bit higher price then to settle for a lower end of the market by producing cheap crappy dyes for there own labeled discs........... Afraid it's quite true. CMC makes the good Verbs, Prodisc makes some quite sketchy ones (here in NA that is, Europe has MBIL thrown in the mix). Couple ways to tell them apart, one involves the serial number stamped in the plastic near the hub on the disc itself (which of course involves buying them first), the other believe it or not involves the font used on the spindle tub lids for Lock and Open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grain Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Yeah, the simple answer is this: CMC can make the good Verbatims because Verb pays for the better and thus more expensive dye. CMC doesn't give a damn as long as someone else fits the materials bill. They're just farmed out to make it, so, every dime Verb gives them is profit. When CMC has to make them themselves, though, the sad fact is they're doing it on the cheap on purpose. To make a higher profit margin by reducing their production costs. And, they know they can get away with it because it's a closely guarded secret. Well, not as much as it used to be but we've all been tricked by CMC before. I got screwed over royally by Optodisc switching to CMC, making me think, because I was not aware for even something CALLED an MID, since I was just a few months into DVD burning, that the hardware was going bad. So, I first replaced a then $500 drive with a $200 drive and everything seemed okay... only BECAUSE Optodisc fucked me again by switching BACK over when I got a new cake stack AT THE SAME TIME. So, they switched BACK, of course, after I replaced the Panasonic LF-D311s, that piece of shit to start with with the good ol' workhorse Sony DRU-500a. Then, it made me think the Panasonic DMR-E20 was broken, so, I replaced the $999 E20 with the E50, got another cake stack and that's when I came across the dreaded letters CMC for the first time in a post. I checked for the MID on these discs that had been tested with before and, sure enough, CMC was on them. So, as you can see, I was duped royally to the tune of a couple thousand dollars, probably. I could really use them now that I don't have them when I did then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevdriver Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 See what your saying db, but it still irks me. CMC can produce excellent dyes..... ie Verbatim. Can't this company see that by making their own brand with the better dye that yes, they will lose some profit on each disc, but will then more then make that lost profit back by selling more of their discs with the good dye. Seems I would want my company to have a reputable standing in the marketplace rather than a discredited one. Shit if they sold these better discs at just under what Verbatim sells theirs for, they might even see their marketshare increase once they regained the consumers trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polopony Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 See what your saying db, but it still irks me. CMC can produce excellent dyes..... ie Verbatim. Can't this company see that by making their own brand with the better dye that yes, they will lose some profit on each disc, but will then more then make that lost profit back by selling more of their discs with the good dye. Seems I would want my company to have a reputable standing in the marketplace rather than a discredited one. Shit if they sold these better discs at just under what Verbatim sells theirs for, they might even see their marketshare increase once they regained the consumers trust. the dye for Verbs (AZO dye ) is made by Mitsubishi Chemical Corp and I suppose CMC may manufacture the discs using different materials than their own crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfcrule1972 Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 They would have a hard time convincing me that CMC discs were quality even if they stopped producing bollocks dye.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 See what your saying db, but it still irks me. CMC can produce excellent dyes..... ie Verbatim. Can't this company see that by making their own brand with the better dye that yes, they will lose some profit on each disc, but will then more then make that lost profit back by selling more of their discs with the good dye. Seems I would want my company to have a reputable standing in the marketplace rather than a discredited one. Shit if they sold these better discs at just under what Verbatim sells theirs for, they might even see their marketshare increase once they regained the consumers trust. Well, quality tends to be something that builds brand loyalty. And, that doesn't make profits. The market seems to be focused in this area on its impending replacements on the horizon, so, they're trying to make as much as they can in a short period. Brand loyalty over time, then, has no place in such a paradigm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 They would have a hard time convincing me that CMC discs were quality even if they stopped producing bollocks dye.... Oh, I don't know. If they paid me to use CMC's, I would. Because, all I need to do is pocket their money and then burn some useless shit to the discs to keep my part of the bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfcrule1972 Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Assuming your drives last long enough db !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Even if they don't, who cares? CMC is still paying me, so, I could buy a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfcrule1972 Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 This is hypothetical tho db - try and remember that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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