Seems lotsa errors by burning BD-R DL. What do they mean ?

[Jack5097]

Good evening,

 

I have a Samsung SE-506CB writer. And I have so many Verbatim coasters from JP.

 

Seems I have also a lot of errors. Can someone pls check, what is wrong ? Maybe I have a bad batch ? I don't know.

I'm a newbie with those BD-R DL 50gb.

 

 

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51aHWufo0AL._SX355_.jpg

These are the ones, I have buyed.

 

Here's the latest log file + verify

 

 

I 18:16:54 ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 started!
I 18:16:54 Microsoft Windows 7 Professional x64 Edition (6.1, Build 7601 : Service Pack 1)
I 18:16:54 Total Physical Memory: 16.728.492 KiB  -  Available: 13.343.500 KiB
I 18:16:54 Initialising SPTI...
I 18:16:54 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 18:16:54 -> Drive 1 - Info: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH24NSB0 LN01-29 (G:) (SATA)
I 18:16:54 -> Drive 2 - Info: TSSTcorp BDDVDW SE-506CB TS02 (H:) (USB 2.0)
I 18:16:54 Found 1 DVD±RW/RAM and 1 BD-RE XL!
I 18:18:58 Operation Started!
I 18:18:58 Building Image Tree...
I 18:19:01 Calculating Totals...
I 18:19:01 Preparing Image...
I 18:19:01 Contents: 2 Files, 0 Folders
I 18:19:01 Content Type: Data
I 18:19:01 Data Type: MODE1/2048
I 18:19:01 File System(s): UDF (2.50)
I 18:19:01 Volume Label: Nieuwe map (11)
I 18:19:01 Size: 39.223.241.251 bytes
I 18:19:01 Sectors: 19.151.975
I 18:19:01 Image Size: 39.224.147.968 bytes
I 18:19:01 Image Sectors: 19.152.416
I 18:19:03 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:04
I 18:19:03 Operation Started!
I 18:19:03 Source File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-
I 18:19:03 Source File Sectors: 19.152.416 (MODE1/2048)
I 18:19:03 Source File Size: 39.224.147.968 bytes
I 18:19:03 Source File Volume Identifier: Nieuwe map (11)
I 18:19:03 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 4B63925D01243DC7
I 18:19:03 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0
I 18:19:03 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
I 18:19:03 Source File File System(s): UDF (2.50)
I 18:19:03 Destination Device: [0:0:0] TSSTcorp BDDVDW SE-506CB TS02 (H:) (USB)
I 18:19:03 Destination Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: VERBAT-IMf-000)
I 18:19:03 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 2x; 4x; 6x
I 18:19:03 Destination Media Sectors: 24.438.784
I 18:19:04 Write Mode: BD
I 18:19:04 Write Type: DAO
I 18:19:04 Write Speed: 4x
I 18:19:04 Hardware Defect Management Active: No
I 18:19:04 BD-R Verify Not Required: Yes
I 18:19:04 Link Size: Auto
I 18:19:04 Lock Volume: Yes
I 18:19:04 Test Mode: No
I 18:19:04 OPC: Yes
I 18:19:04 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 18:19:04 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 17.984 KB/s (4x)
I 18:20:28 Filling Buffer... (80 MiB)
I 18:20:28 Writing LeadIn...
I 18:20:30 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 19152415)
I 18:20:30 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 19152415)
I 18:20:30 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 12219391)
I 18:47:27 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 12219392 - 19152415)
I 19:01:06 Synchronising Cache...
I 19:01:07 Closing Track...
I 19:01:08 Finalising Disc...
I 19:01:28 Exporting Graph Data...
I 19:01:28 Graph Data File: C:\Users\JOiIlIeboeska\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_BDDVDW_SE-506CB_TS02_VRIJDAG-3-NOVEMBER-2017_18-19_VERBAT-IMf-000_4x.ibg
I 19:01:28 Export Successfully Completed!
I 19:01:28 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:42:24
I 19:01:28 Average Write Rate: 15.724 KiB/s (3.6x) - Maximum Write Rate: 17.888 KiB/s (4.1x)
I 19:01:28 Cycling Tray before Verify...
W 19:04:35 Waiting for device to become ready...
I 19:04:57 Device Ready!
I 19:04:58 Operation Started!
I 19:04:58 Source Device: [0:0:0] TSSTcorp BDDVDW SE-506CB TS02 (H:) (USB)
I 19:04:58 Source Media Type: BD-R (Disc ID: VERBAT-IMf-000)
I 19:04:58 Source Media Supported Read Speeds: 2,2x; 4x; 6x
I 19:04:58 Source Media Supported Write Speeds: 2x; 4x; 6x
I 19:04:58 Source Media Sectors: 19.152.416
I 19:04:58 Source Media Size: 39.224.147.968 bytes
I 19:04:58 Image File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-
I 19:04:58 Image File Sectors: 19.152.416 (MODE1/2048)
I 19:04:58 Image File Size: 39.224.147.968 bytes
I 19:04:58 Image File Volume Identifier: Nieuwe map (11)
I 19:04:58 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 4B63925D01243DC7
I 19:04:58 Image File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0
I 19:04:58 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
I 19:04:58 Image File File System(s): UDF (2.50)
I 19:04:58 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAX
I 19:04:59 Read Speed - Effective: 2,2x - 6x; 6x - 2,4x
I 19:05:00 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 19152415)
I 19:05:00 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 19152415)
I 19:05:00 Verifying Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 12219391)
I 19:26:34 Verifying Layer 1... (LBA: 12219392 - 19152415)
W 19:26:49 Failed to Read Sectors 12219392 - 12219423 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 19:27:01 Failed to Read Sector 12219392 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 19:27:01 Sector 12219392 maps to File: \Independence Day 1996 Ext 4K HDR.mkv
W 19:27:56 Retrying (1)...
W 19:28:04 Retry Failed - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 19:28:08 Retrying (2)...
W 19:28:20 Retry Failed - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 19:28:21 Failed to Read Sector 12219392 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 19:28:21 Sector 12219392 maps to File: \Independence Day 1996 Ext 4K HDR.mkv
W 19:28:30 Failed to Read Sector 12219393 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 19:28:30 Sector 12219393 maps to File: \Independence Day 1996 Ext 4K HDR.mkv
W 19:28:46 Failed to Read Sector 12219394 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
W 19:28:46 Sector 12219394 maps to File: \Independence Day 1996 Ext 4K HDR.mkv
E 19:28:48 Failed to Read Sector 12219394 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error
E 19:28:48 Sector 12219394 maps to File: \Independence Day 1996 Ext 4K HDR.mkv
E 19:28:48 Failed to Verify Sectors!
I 19:28:52 Exporting Graph Data...
I 19:28:52 Graph Data File: C:\Users\JOiIlIeboeska\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\TSSTcorp_BDDVDW_SE-506CB_TS02_VRIJDAG-3-NOVEMBER-2017_18-19_VERBAT-IMf-000_4x.ibg
I 19:28:52 Export Successfully Completed!
E 19:28:52 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:23:49
I 19:28:52 Average Verify Rate: 17.113 KiB/s (3.9x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 27.058 KiB/s (6.2x)
I 19:28:58 Close Request Acknowledged
I 19:28:58 Closing Down...
I 19:28:59 Shutting down SPTI...
I 19:28:59 ImgBurn closed!

 

Thanks for any info / help

 

Jack

[Jack5097]

It seems now, that this same burned previous disk, plays good on my Samsung SE-506CB writer.

 

But when I play it on my Samsung UBD-K8500 4K bluray player, It hangs 2 times around the second layer for 2-3 minutes.

 

and hangs for a 3th time so long, my player returns to the beginning screen. (endless re-loading).

 

So far, 3 disks are succesfull, out of the 25. I've got 7 left ....... 15 disks where coasters in garbage bag !!! This is abnormal !!

Edited November 3, 2017 by Jack5097

[dbminter]

Since you seem to be new at burning BD-R DL's, I'm guessing you've never used this drive before to burn those discs.  It's probably just a really rotten drive at burning DL media.  Like LG's BD drives.  You seem to be getting these errors at the layer change, and, as you seem to indicate, there are playback errors are at the layer change, too.

 

 

You're using quality BD blanks, so it's probably just a case of your drive not liking them.  Your drive is probably older than the Verbatim blank architecture and there's probably not a firmware update for that media.

 

 

Try updating the firmware.  Right click on the drop down list of the drive in Write mode and choose the firmware update check option.

 

 

Most likely, your fix is probably to try a new drive.  Try a Pioneer one, the 209 or 2209.  I've never used BD-R DL media, but I do use Verbatim BD-RE DL media.  I have two BD drives, an LG and the Pioneer.  The Pioneer is the only one that writes properly to these BD-RE DL's.  And guess what generally happens in the LG?  Failure of Verify at the layer change.  If a DL media burn/Verify is going to fail, it will almost always fail there, at the layer change.

[Jack5097]

Thank you so much for you're help and all info

 

I also wanna let you know, that my new ordered: Pioneer BDR-209EBK

is underway. I saw some good reviews about it.

[dbminter]

I've only ever had the 2209, not the 209.  However, the only difference between the 2 is the 2209 supports BD XL and M-Disc media and the 209 doesn't.  I never used BD XL media and I don't use a lot of M-Disc, so it's a feature I can do without.  Next time I get a Pioneer, I'm going to try the 209 over the 2209.

 

 

A few things about the 2209 that might apply to the 209 that I've experienced.  There's a fundamental design flaw in the eject button of the 2209.  Two 2209 drives I've had had this problem.  After about 7 to 9 months, the eject button doesn't always work the first time you press it.  Pressing it a 2nd time causes it to work.  Issuing a manual eject command in ImgBurn can cause this, too.  This happens 1 out of 10 times, maybe.  However, it seems that all eject commands issued by ImgBurn after a write/read operation seem to always work.

 

 

The other issue is with the last firmware released for the 2209.  Pioneer borked writing to 8x Ritek DVD+RW media.  Verifies will always fail because the write strategy is borked.  All future writes to the disc in any drive will also fail until the media is fully erased in a drive that doesn't have the latest firmware or another manufacturer's drive.  Firmware 1.33 does not do this, but 1.34 does.  Both the 209 and the 2209 have 1.34 as their latest firmware revision number.  However, since the laser may be different in the two drives, the 209 may not have this issue.  I doubt it, though, and believe it does.  It's in the write strategy for the media, which I would think would be the same across all the firmwares.  And Pioneer, in their update notes, says they changed the write strategy for DVD media.  Really vague there, but Pioneer generally releases firmware update notes in such useless, broken English.  So, I don't know if this is across all rewritable DVD's or not.  If you come across Verifies that fail on DVD rewritable media, you may want to downgrade the firmware for the drive and see if that helps.  I downgraded my 2209 from 1.34 to 1.33 and it resumed writing the media properly.  So, the problem is in the 1.34 firmware.  The firmware for these drives hasn't been updated in over a year, so it's doubtful they will ever be updated.  I told Pioneer about this, but they don't give a

 

 

Downgrading the firmware is relatively straightforward.  It just requires downloading the downgrade tool and the 1.33 firmware package.  Then, opening the 1.33 firmware package in 7-Zip and extracting the largest file in the executable, which will be the firmware.  Then using a command line, calling the downgrade tool to point to the firmware package and the drive to be downgraded.

 

 

Now, I have some cause for concern that the 2209 Pioneer quality might have gone downhill.  I still have my first one, and it's 2 years old and still works.  My 2nd one is just under 2 years and also still works.  My 3rd one, though, had to be replaced after 7 months.  The 4th one went back to Amazon.com because, out of the box, it was borked writing to BD-R that my 2nd 2209 still wrote to fine.

 

 

Also, I've never actually written any BD-R DL media in the 2209.  Only BD-RE DL media from Verbatim and TDK, but both work.  So, I don't see why the 2209 would have a problem with Verbatim BD-R DL media.  However, I can't guarantee it will work.

[Jack5097]

I don't know what these M-disks are. But follows the technical info, you're wrong.

 

 

2209 supports BD XL and M-Disc media and the 209 doesn't

 

Maybe the 209 standard (oldest ??) In this case, you sure can be right.

 

But the 209EBK is ready for tripple/quad layers.
That's the reason why I specific have buyed this version of 209.
On paper, it must write tripple/quad too.

 

De BDR-209EBK kan BD-R op 16x, BD-R DL op 14x, BD-RE SL/DL/TL op 2x, BD-R TL/LTH op 8x, BD-R QL op 6x, ...

(info in Dutch)

 

These are my goals:

- BD-R (25GB)

- BD-R DL (50GB)

- BD-R QL (or XL) (100GB)

 

Triple of 75GB ? I find that a bit stupid. Unless there's a big price difference.

 

Seems this machine, fits my needs. Also I have readed a lot of possitive comments on Amazon.
Specially those messages about layers, did had my attention.
 

She should burn these even good. But in those days, there weren't many XL disks out.
So I guess it will be trial and test. If all is indeed perfect, I've founded my machine for the futur as well.

 

Much thanks again, about software info. Might sure come in handy by troubles.

 

Jack

Edited November 8, 2017 by Jack5097

[dbminter]

I kind of made a mistake.  The 2209 is how Pioneer lists its drive that supports XL media on its website.  The 209 is how it names the model that doesn't support XL media.  For instance, ImgBurn returns my Pioneer as:

 

I 17:39:34 -> Drive 5 - Info: PIONEER BD-RW   BDR-209M 1.33-ID60 (K:) (SATA)

 

It calls it the BDR-209M, even though it's the 2209 model listed on Pioneer's website.

 

 

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Computer/Computer+Drives#products

 

 

Yes, the confusing idea that a triple layer writes to 100 GB.    Single layer 25 GB, understandable.  Double layer 50 GB makes sense.  So, why does triple layer have 100 GB?  Because the 3 layers in the XL/TL media are not the same size as single layers used in SL and DL BD!    The layers the XL media uses are 33.3 GB each.  So, XL media are not precisely 100 GB but 99.9 GB.  Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it? 

 

 

As for what M-Disc are, M-Disc are media designed for long term archival storage.  As long as you have a DVD+R supported DVD drive/player, M-Disc DVD will be readable.  I don't know if you need an M-Disc drive to read M-Disc BD or not.  Probably not.  Recordable BD uses layers of metallic oxide to burn to.  These last longer than CD and DVD recordable media because they use organic dyes, which decay over time quicker.  However, recordable BD won't last forever, either.  M-Disc is akin to using a chisel to chip pits in stone.  Stone will last longer.  The laser burns pits into the M-Disc recordable layer.

 

 

If you're not looking for long term archival storage, then M-Disc is not something you'll probably use.  In fact, I've only ever used about 5 of them because they were free sample discs included with my LG and Pioneer drives.  I used them for a few data long term archives for data I can't replace.  Just to use up the free samples.  The discs are expensive.  About 5 times the cost of CD-R/DVD+-R/BD-R.  For instance, a DVD-R costs about 50 cents to a dollar.  An M-Disc DVD+R costs about $5.

[Jack5097]

Ow, I forgot .... Maybe I'm nothing with Triple/Quad XL layers ????

Even the disks might have burned 100% perfectly, there's still the: MILLION DOLLAR question ......

Can my: Samsung UBD-K8500 4K bluray player from Samsung, even play these 3-4 layer disks ?

Anyway, It will be interesting soon to test, hehehe lol

If all goes well ..... then I have founded a way to copy real: 4K HDR HEVC BT2020 movies, that are posted in forums.

 

Many of these 4K movies are between 30-90GB MKV files.

 

And buying many huge USB-sticks or Extern HDD's, is more expensive.

Than a disk of maybe 5 euro ? Or 3 euro ? While buying a Spindle of 50 pieces ?

 

The movies are standing ready .... as well as my disks .....
Now biting on my nails ..... waiting time ..... for my writer to arrive .... hehehe lol

Edited November 9, 2017 by Jack5097

[dbminter]

Yeah, I don't know if any older Blu-Ray players supported X/TL/QL media.  In fact, as far as I know, standard Blu-Ray movies were never released in more than 2 layers.  I think triple and quad layer BD-R was for backing up data only.  It may have changed with 4K Blu-Ray now.  Which means, of course, your Blu-Ray player would have to be a 4K player.

[Jack5097]

Can you help me one last time pls ? I have now the tool DVRTool_v1.02

and downloaded the BDR-209EBK_FW133EU driver (1.33).

 

Ofcourse it has itself installed the latest version (1.34).

How can I change this back to 1.33? I'm also not good with command codes.

[dbminter]

You really shouldn't downgrade the firmware unless you do experience problems with writing rewritable media.

 

 

Interestingly enough, I did some tests yesterday on the 1.34 firmware.  Since I discovered they don't make 8x DVD+RW media anymore, my Pioneer drive not writing to the Ritek versions properly is not an issue anymore.  Once I go through the ones I have, that will be it.  Except there's a seller on Amazon.com with 3 25 cake stacks left that I'll try to get some of.  And I'll just use my LG or ASUS USB to write those.  So, since 4x DVD-+RW is all you can get anymore, for the most part, I updated my Pioneer's firmware to 1.34 and tested my 4x DVD+RW and 4x DVD-RW.  Those tests were fine on the 1.34.  So, Pioneer only borked the write strategy for Ritek 8x DVD+RW.  Or Ritek DVD+RW in general.  I believe my 4x DVD-RW are Ritek, so it isn't a problem with all Ritek rewrtiable media.  Maybe just Ritek DVD-RW or only just the 8x DVD+RW.  One of my DVD+RW tests was to a Ricoh disc, and Ricoh makes Ritek.

 

 

Anyway, I wouldn't worry about it unless you actually experience a problem writing to Ritek DVD rewritable media.

 

 

First, you'll need to get the 1.33 firmware update package from firmwarehq.com for your drive.  The best/easiest way to to do this is to right click on the Pioneer drive in the drop down list of available drives in Write mode and use the check for firmware update option at the bottom of the list of options.  Then, from the web page that opens for your drive, download the proper 1.33 package for your drive.  You may need to check the list of drives in the log that ImgBurn finds when it first opens to see what revision package ID string matches your drive.  Then, open that .EXE in 7Zip and find the largest file inside the archive.  Extract that file as it will be the firmware package.  Open a Command Prompt and use the command:

 

dvrtool -f <Drive Letter>: 132

 

where <Drive Letter> is the drive letter of the Pioneer drive you want to flash (Don't use the < or the >) as shown in Windows/File Explorer and 132 is the name of the firmware package you extracted in 7Zip.  For instance, my 1.33 firmware package called the firmware file 132, even though the firmware is 1.33.

[Jack5097]

Sadly, I have again the problem with the second layer.
Seems the whole second layer is bad. It plays a second and then hangs for loading. Plays another second, then hangs again.

Maybe these Japanese disks are a trouble. There where other people complaining too.

 

I think my solution would be: to buy some other disks from Verbatim. Those blue ones, instead of japanese ones.

These seem to have less coasters, says people on amazon.
 

No problems playing on PC however.

Edited November 10, 2017 by Jack5097

[dbminter]

Wait, you say this last burn in the Pioneer failed Verify yet plays fine on the PC?  I can see a PC playing a burned disc that passes Verify fine but a stand alone Blu-Ray player failing to play it.  But, I cannot see a disc that fails Verify but plays fine on a PC.

 

 

If you're going to try for a different kind of Verbatim, Verbatim does make a DataLifePlus BD-R DL.  However, they're all label printable surface so they cost more.  DataLifePlus is Verbatim's high quality brand of media.  For instance, you get the DataLifePlus DVD+R DL and not the Life DVD+R DL if you want Verbatim's high quality DVD+R DL.

 

 

I've never used Verbatim BD-R DL before in my Pioneer (Or ever.), only Verbatim/TDK BD-RE DL.  So, it may be in your better interest to try the DataLifePlus series first.

 

 

https://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-DataLifePlus-White-Inkjet-Printable/dp/B004HA8IQC/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1510331836&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=datalifeplus+bd-r+dl&psc=1

[dbminter]

Also, do you have an image of the product you've been using, these Japanese discs?

 

 

I've never used Verbatim BD-R DL, but my Verbatim BD-R are these:

 

https://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-BD-R-25GB-Branded-Surface/dp/B00GSQ4DBM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1510335421&sr=8-1&keywords=verbatim+bd-r+25gb+6x+with+branded+surface+-+50pk+spindle+98397

 

 

I've had only like 1 or 2 failures that weren't dying drive related in the 5 years I've been using these.  Of course, these aren't BD-R DL's.  But, they do have blue branded surfaces.

 

 

The Disc ID on the Japanese ones you've been using seems to be the same as all the Verbatim BD-R SL's I've ever used.  So, it's kind of confusing, using the same Disc ID for different media formats.  Thus, it's kind of hard to tell if you've got good stuff or not.

 

 

I have no use experience with BD-R DL, so I can't really comment on how well they work or don't.  Just a general consensus based on people's posting of their results with them.  Seems like even the Verbatims have had a higher rate of failure.  But, is it lower quality media or just cheaper/older/just not good BD drives?

[Jack5097]

I've done again the same test. It seems that Pioneer did do a good job. No errors.
But it seems that my 4K Samsung UBD-K8500 has problems with reading the second layer.

 

 

These are the Japanese ones. They are: VERBAT-IMF-000
 

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51aHWufo0AL._SX355_.jpg

 

The only thing that I can do, is to try a more expensive DL 50gb.

I've just been lucky to buy a single DL from Sony at a cheaper price.

 

Here's a picture of the Sony one.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41VSx8GpFaL.jpg

 

If my UBD-K8500 has also problems reading the Sony one, I give up.
Then my 4K player, can't read DL at all.

 

Strange, because he plays 2-3 DL disks fine, so far. And he's working fine with buyed UHD disks on the market.

[dbminter]

It could just be your player doesn't like BD-R DL media.  If that's the case, the only way to fix it is to replace the laser, probably.  Which means just getting a new player.  Especially since you said these discs play fine on your PC drive but not in your standalone player.

 

 

Since these discs appear to have burned and Verified fine, as evidenced by how they play on your PC and not on your Blu-Ray player, it seems the problem is with the Blu-Ray player.  They don't like the particular brand of discs you've been using or just don't like BD-R media at all.  For instance, my Playstation 3 doesn't properly play BD-R made by Ritek, but those same discs on BD-R made by Verbatim play without problems.  BTW, the Disc ID for those Verbatim BD-R, I think, is the same as the one on the Verbatim BD-R DL you've been using.  As I said, it's kind of confusing being able to tell if you've got quality Verbatim BD-R DL media then.

 

 

As for Sony, I'd avoid them all together.  In my opinion, Sony has made little but junk since 2002.  Only 3 products I can think of they've made since 2002 that I encountered weren't junk.  My first BD-RE was a Sony disc.  It died before 5 writes.  The only BD-R I have ever had that failed a burn, not a Verify but a burn that weren't because the drive were dying were like 1 or 2 Verbatim and consistently Sony's.

[Jack5097]

Sad to hear, that you had a bad experience with Sony. My first 3 BD-R are still working fine on my 4K player.

Also he accept every BD-R from Verbatim. At least that's something, instead of nothing.

 

About these Japanese, I have founded more info about them = VBR260YPV1 by Mitsubishi Kagaku Media.

I don't know if it says something for you ?

 

Normally, I should know more about Sony after the weekend.

Arriving:
Tuesday, 14 November Your delivery option: One-Day Delivery

I really hope that my player accept these from Sony,

otherwise I will buy the program: DvDFab Converter.

I've just tested a 33GB 4K HDR HEVC MKV to shrink it to fit on a single BD-R.

Ofcourse the bitrate was going down. This is a last solution that I hope to avoid.

 

One thing, I can't get out of my mind. My UBD-K8500 Samsung plays original 4K HDR disks.
Don't tell me, that those disks are only BD-R with compressed files ? Or are they ?
Normally these should also be BD-R DL /TL /QL (50-75-100GB).

Seems to me, there must be a brand working for it. Or am I wrong ?
 

Have a nice weekend

Jack

Edited November 12, 2017 by Jack5097

[dbminter]

Mitsubishi Kagaku Media is basically the parent company of Verbatim.  They make Verbatim's high quality DVD and CD media.  However, not everything labeled as Mitsubishi Kagaku Media is high quality Mitsubishi Kagaku Media.  I got some BD-RE labeled as Mitsubishi Kagaku Media on the package, but CMC Magnetics actually made them.  CMC is the bottom of the barrel optical disc manufacturer.  And even Verbatim farms out to CMC for their cheaper DVD and CD Life Series media.  In fact, Verbatim no longer makes its own BD-RE SL, instead farming them out to cheap ass CMC.

 

 

Only thing I could find from doing a Google on VBR260YPV1 is that they go back to at least 2013.  So, I don't know if Verbatim actually made those or not.

 

 

Well, your 4k player probably plays TL media fine when it's pressed media.  There are differences between pressed media type and recordable media type.  A standalone player may have specific picky issues with recordable media.  Given how large 4k discs would have to be, I can see them being TL media.  But, they will be pressed discs which have a higher likelihood of playing on a standalone player.  For instance, when the PS2 came out in 2000, it would play certain DVD-R when made in 2002 but not always.  And it would be random.  I'd burn a disc and the PS2 would skip on it.  Then, I'd burn the exact same image, the exact same media type, in the exact same burner, and it would play fine.

 

 

As I said, I'd be more likely to say your player doesn't support recordable multiple layer media.  Since these discs complete burns and Verifies and play on your PC but not on your player, the problem is with your player.  You could try different media manufacturers until you get lucky, but it's very iffy.

 

 

Using an entirely different program to make the source video shouldn't matter at all, but if you want to try it, go ahead.

 

 

I could tell you all kinds of stories of Sony junk from 2002 to when I finally gave up on them.  PS2's that needed new drive assemblies after a year, PS3's that needed replacing within a month after purchase, Sony switching from making their own DVD-R to lesser quality Ritek media, BD-RE's that were junk, BD-R's that were junk, PS3's 2nd version of its Blu-Ray remote that dies within a month after purchase, top loading PS2's that don't play DVD's correctly because top loaders were the main quality problem of the PS1, so WHY go back to them just to save on production costs is beyond me.  All just leading towards the inescapable conclusion that Sony quality started going downhill in 2002.  Before 2002, Sony made great PS2's, PS1's, CD-RW, and DVD burners.

[Jack5097]

OW NO !!! This is also a possibility ..... That I've downloaded some movies from BAD uploaders.

 

That they have compressed the original movie too much !!

 

I still got 3 empty disks left. I will search after movies from the 2 good guys, I'm sure off.

 

Time to test again hehehhe lol

Edited November 12, 2017 by Jack5097

[Jack5097]

Why bad uploaders ? I was using convertxtohd only to convert a True-HD audio to AC3/Dolby.
Convertxtohd is very good in it. Downloaded from a bad uploader, because this is the first time that even Convertxtohd crashes due errors.

 

Now I remember, that I've downloaded also 4K movies, from these same "bad guys".
And all of them failed !! Time to test a "good guy" again.

 

DvdFab shrinks the 33GB to 22GB. 22GB, I can burn on a Standard BD-R.
Like I did say : All single layers BD-R plays fine.

[dbminter]

Even if you somehow got bad copies, that won't cause discs to fail Verifies or prevent them from playing in a standalone player.  They play fine on your PC but not your player, so it's the player.  The failures you were getting at the Verifies were at the start of the 2nd layer so those were either problems with the burner or the media or a combination of both.

 

 

The player probably has no problem with BD-R SL media.  But doesn't like BD-R DL media.  Or at least the manufacturer type of the BD-R DL you're using.  So, you can shrink DL BD movies to SL discs, then by all means, you know that works.

 

 

Now, one thing to possibly take into account, are you burning the same image file over and over again in your tests?  There could be a 1 in 100 chance that the image created is bad.  You could try recreating a new image and see if that helps.

 

 

About the only thing you can do is keep trying media to see if something is tolerated by your player, but most likely you won't find something that works as I still say it's your player.

[Jack5097]

Good info and hint. Thanks for that also.

I've just burned another movie. It fails on BOTH = TV and also on PC !!! on second layer.

It just crashes and hangs.

 

Seems there's definitly something wrong with these disks.

The unburned Mkv file itself plays fine on PC without any hickup. It's definitly the disks itself.
Seems a bad batch or bad quality. Or maybe they are just to old ? (first generation) 2013 ? you have said.

 

I don't care anymore about the last 2 disks. I'm gonna burn them both, in the hope to catch at least 1 more success.

 

Tuesday or wednesday, I will test Sony.

Edited November 12, 2017 by Jack5097

[Jack5097]

End of story of this batch. One disk did play good on PC only.

 

The other disk = can't play this disk !!! Pls remove dust !

 

What a load of garbage disks !! The failure rate is 97% !!!

 

Even, so many don't also play on my PC. I'm sick of these Japanese Garbage >

This is NOT VERBATIM, as I know it with my DB-R SL disks.
The failure rate is = disgusting !!!!

[dbminter]

Try the DataLifePlus BD-R DL I forwarded before.  DataLifePlus is the good stuff that Verbatim makes.  If those fail, then you know either your standalone player doesn't like BD-R DL or just that brand of manufacturer.

 

 

As I said, I've never used BD-R DL, so I don't know if the Pioneer likes those or not.  It does like the BD-RE DL made by Verbatim/TDK.  (TDK sometimes makes Verbatim's BD-RE DL.  TDK is also a generally good manufacturer, but even they will sometimes farm out to CMC.)  However, you should be able to tell if it's those Japanese media or not.  If the Pioneer still doesn't play the DataLifePlus BD-R DL media on your PC, then you'll have to try something else beyond Verbatim's.

[Jack5097]

and we have also those blue ones, I have mentioned before. These seems also more REAL verbatim to me.
However, seems also a lot of Amazon complaints about the second layer.
here's a picture:

 

 

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61%2B8iyECHKL._SL1023_.jpg

 

The ones you mean I believe are these:

 

 

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61q2-MxF4kL._SL1084_.jpg

 

Edited November 12, 2017 by Jack5097