DasReich Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 (edited) Hi there, I need some advice from you helfull chaps again. Just got hold of a Pioneer 110D and Im not getting full write speed from the drive, ie. not getting 16x from a 16x disc. I used the firmware update on Imgburn, but when I try to flash I get a message saying "Hardware revision is not matched" Ive just gone over to using Ridisc Xtreme 16x discs F1 dye, I have no problems with these discs using a NEC3540A drive burning at 16X. Any advice would be very gratefully received. Thanks. Dave. Edited November 25, 2005 by DasReich ~ Dave ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmet Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Have you tried getting the firmware from here: http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=2140 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinningwheel Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Ive just gone over to using Ridisc Xtreme 16x discs F1 dye, I have no problems with these discs using a NEC3540A drive burning at 16X. I have had nothing but problems with these using a Plex 716A, good to see someone can use the damned things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasReich Posted November 25, 2005 Author Share Posted November 25, 2005 Have you tried getting the firmware from here: http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=2140 Yes Jmet, I used this. Also to add, Im not getting very good read speeds either, maxing at around 11.5x. Is there something really easy to this, I certainly hope so... Thanks. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasReich Posted November 25, 2005 Author Share Posted November 25, 2005 Ive just gone over to using Ridisc Xtreme 16x discs F1 dye, I have no problems with these discs using a NEC3540A drive burning at 16X. I have had nothing but problems with these using a Plex 716A, good to see someone can use the damned things. Well, like I said, No problems so far with the NEC, but with the Pioneer, really slow results. Im sure Taiyo would be the best option though, keep telling myself that, but its the cost that always swings it. Guess Im going to have to bite the bullet and go for the Taiyos. Ive had some freezes with one or two of the F1 discs, but I put this down to the player they were played in as they played in a brand new cheapo player perfectly..... Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmet Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Not sure what kind of speeds you are talking about (read or write) and expecting but, 11.5X (read speed) on a "Dual Layer" DVD is pretty darn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasReich Posted November 25, 2005 Author Share Posted November 25, 2005 (edited) Not sure what kind of speeds you are talking about (read or write) and expecting but, 11.5X (read speed) on a "Dual Layer" DVD is pretty darn good. Sorry, should of clarified the info really. Im not using Dual Layer, Just Ridisc Xtreme f1 dye discs, I changed to these from using the Ridisc Xtreme 8x discs which I found 100% perfect, no coasters what so ever, thought these may be up to the same standard. Well, with the NEC I can and do reach read and write speeds of 16x. The Pioneer is only (Only!) reaching a read speed of approx 11x (according to Alcohol) and a write speed of 12x (According to ImgBurn) Imgburn only supports these discs as 12x max, I was hoping the firmware update may sort this, but I just get it to work. Im probably doing something really stoopid here, but cant see what the hell it is? Dave Edited November 25, 2005 by DasReich ~ Dave ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIGHTNING UK! Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 You are using the right firmware yeah? In case you don't know, there is a 110 and a 110D. Both have different capabilities (namely, DVDRAM support) and as such, have different firmware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasReich Posted November 25, 2005 Author Share Posted November 25, 2005 You are using the right firmware yeah? In case you don't know, there is a 110 and a 110D. Both have different capabilities (namely, DVDRAM support) and as such, have different firmware. Lol, well, it did cross my mind, but I hope Im not quite that daft...yet! I used the facility in Imgburn to link direct to the firmware update, but I will check it out again. Cheers. LUK Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIGHTNING UK! Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 If Pioneers own firmware flash util wont work for you, you could always try the dvrflash thingy. I'll update mine in half hour when this bloody DVDRAM disc (test burn!) has finished going. 1x is soooooo slow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasReich Posted November 25, 2005 Author Share Posted November 25, 2005 If Pioneers own firmware flash util wont work for you, you could always try the dvrflash thingy. MMM, dont know quite why, but I was getting the wrong firmware update from the update facility on Imgburn, I got that sorted now to 1.37, but Imgburn is still only supporting these discs at 12x. Thanks for the input on this chaps, its not a major problem as I mostly use the NEC to burn and got hold of the Pioneer for other stuff. It was buging me about the burn/read speeds. Guess I should have got a Plextor after all or another NEC, never had problems from the NEC drives Ive had. If anyone can add anything that can help, please feel free. Thanks to those that already have. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornholio7 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 (edited) try the 16x verbatims DasReich~Dave~ , no problems with them reaching 16x Edited November 25, 2005 by cornholio7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasReich Posted November 25, 2005 Author Share Posted November 25, 2005 try the 16x verbatims DasReich~Dave~ , no problems with them reaching 16x Hi m8, just PM'd you...... So you reckon the Pioneer will like the Verbatims? What about Taiyos? Might see if I can get some samples from SVP to test out........ Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornholio7 Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 well these verbatim discs have been out quite a while now so i would think that the pioneers firmware would be up to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasReich Posted November 25, 2005 Author Share Posted November 25, 2005 well these verbatim discs have been out quite a while now so i would think that the pioneers firmware would be up to it Cheers Corny, looks like I will be calling up SVP in the morning.... Thnx Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polopony Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 (edited) Imgburn is still only supporting these discs at 12x. Dave. Das its not IMGburn thats not supporting the 16x speed but the drive itself with those discs . IMGburn will burn at whatever speed but its the drive and the media compatibility that will determine the burn speed Edited November 25, 2005 by polopony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasReich Posted November 26, 2005 Author Share Posted November 26, 2005 Imgburn is still only supporting these discs at 12x. Dave. Das its not IMGburn thats not supporting the 16x speed but the drive itself with those discs . IMGburn will burn at whatever speed but its the drive and the media compatibility that will determine the burn speed Yea, I know what your saying, Its just the software I use 99% of the time now. With the verbatims I may well get 16x from it, let you know what happens. Still dont get why I was getting linked to the wrong firmware update though.... Neva mind, got there in the end. Thanks chaps. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebra Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Hi guys, Unfortunately for us, Pioneer has made the hard and fast decision to cramp the RITEKF1 MID to 12x locked in descriptors. As follows, is a dumpout of all the available descriptors/write strategy fields under the 1.37 firmware, on my 110D@A10XLA: Media Information Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO Media code/Manufacturer ID RITEKF1 UDF Format Type V1.02 UDF Volume Name None UDF Application id None UDF Implementation id Nero UDF Recording Date/Time (mm/dd/yyyy) 11/26/2005 20:29:39 Format Capacity 4.38GB(4.71GB) Book Type DVD-R Media Type DVD-R Manufacturer Rated Speed 16.0x 22160KBps Available Write Descriptor CLV 12.0x 16620KBps Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps 2x Speed OPC beta 09 2x Speed OPC power 0F 2x Write Strategy field 1 15 87 88 90 2x Write Strategy field 2 A8 82 00 20 00 00 4x Speed OPC beta 06 4x Speed OPC power 16 4x Write Strategy field 1 10 14 0F 0B 4x Write Strategy field 2 94 07 0D 0B 4x Write Strategy field 3 80 00 00 00 4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse 09 4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse 1E 4x Write Strategy field 4 17 A7 89 85 4x Write Strategy field 5 B7 89 02 00 20 02 4x Write Strategy field 6 00 00 D0 00 00 Data area starting sector 30000h Data area end sector 23127Fh Linear Density 0.267um/bit Track Density 0.74um/track Number of Layers 1 Complete Media Code 00000000 00 6C 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 87 0D 13 .l...@....R..... 00000010 87 88 90 00 03 52 49 54 45 4B 46 00 04 31 00 00 .....RITEKF..1.. 00000020 00 00 00 00 05 88 80 00 00 00 02 00 06 09 0F 15 ................ Yeah, I think its unfortunate too. . They have done the same thing with CMCMAGE0.1, which should write @ 8x, but only writes @ 6x, in the DVR-110. They have their reasons, that said. If you want some good 16x MID's for the drive, I recommend TYG03, MCC004, TTH02...etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polopony Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 (edited) Hi guys, . They have done the same thing with CMCMAGE0.1, which should write @ 8x, but only writes @ 6x, in the DVR-110. They have their reasons, that said. If you want some good 16x MID's for the drive, I recommend TYG03, MCC004, TTH02...etc. anyone thats been around here or the other proggy (sniff,sniff I'm still in mourning) will know that the reason CMCmag is limited is because it sucks if thats not reason enough I dont know what is as for the verbs and the yudens they're A1 all I use now and no problems at all Edited November 26, 2005 by polopony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasReich Posted November 27, 2005 Author Share Posted November 27, 2005 Hi guys, Unfortunately for us, Pioneer has made the hard and fast decision to cramp the RITEKF1 MID to 12x locked in descriptors. As follows, is a dumpout of all the available descriptors/write strategy fields under the 1.37 firmware, on my 110D@A10XLA: Media Information Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO Media code/Manufacturer ID RITEKF1 UDF Format Type V1.02 UDF Volume Name None UDF Application id None UDF Implementation id Nero UDF Recording Date/Time (mm/dd/yyyy) 11/26/2005 20:29:39 Format Capacity 4.38GB(4.71GB) Book Type DVD-R Media Type DVD-R Manufacturer Rated Speed 16.0x 22160KBps Available Write Descriptor CLV 12.0x 16620KBps Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps 2x Speed OPC beta 09 2x Speed OPC power 0F 2x Write Strategy field 1 15 87 88 90 2x Write Strategy field 2 A8 82 00 20 00 00 4x Speed OPC beta 06 4x Speed OPC power 16 4x Write Strategy field 1 10 14 0F 0B 4x Write Strategy field 2 94 07 0D 0B 4x Write Strategy field 3 80 00 00 00 4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse 09 4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse 1E 4x Write Strategy field 4 17 A7 89 85 4x Write Strategy field 5 B7 89 02 00 20 02 4x Write Strategy field 6 00 00 D0 00 00 Data area starting sector 30000h Data area end sector 23127Fh Linear Density 0.267um/bit Track Density 0.74um/track Number of Layers 1 Complete Media Code 00000000 00 6C 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 87 0D 13 .l...@....R..... 00000010 87 88 90 00 03 52 49 54 45 4B 46 00 04 31 00 00 .....RITEKF..1.. 00000020 00 00 00 00 05 88 80 00 00 00 02 00 06 09 0F 15 ................ Yeah, I think its unfortunate too. . They have done the same thing with CMCMAGE0.1, which should write @ 8x, but only writes @ 6x, in the DVR-110. They have their reasons, that said. If you want some good 16x MID's for the drive, I recommend TYG03, MCC004, TTH02...etc. Right, confirms it for def then this does. Already to decided to follow cornys advice with the Verbatims, I dont have a problem burning the F1s on the NEC, but after seeing a report from corny on the burning I was amazed how flat the graph was on the burn report with the verbatims. Thanks for all the help lads. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomyboy Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 For more information see the supported media list: DVR-110D http://wwwbsc.pioneer.co.jp/product-e/ibs/...diaList_137.pdf DVR-110 http://wwwbsc.pioneer.co.jp/product-e/ibs/...diaList_137.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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