Layer Change Problem - Newbie

[Dumfy]

Hi Everyone,

 

Just joined the forum, so first post for me. I'm a relative newcomer to all this and have worked my way through a lot, but am stuck with a layer change problem I think I have. I've successfully copied to single layer, but not dual layer.

 

I'm using Traxdata DVD +R DL discs and the first part of the DVD plays fine, but a couple of DVD players I have go loopy at what I believe is the layer change, although I can't be certain. I've used RipIt4Me/DVD Decrypter to create an ISO of the disc I wish to copy and then used Imgburn to burn the ISO.

 

To my mind, this should be an exact replica of the original so the layer change should be identical also. The disc I copied was bought for me as gift from a friend's visit to China/Beijing and is a DVD-9 and plays perfectly.

 

I'm doing something wrong, but don't understand what. I've looked at the guides on this forum and people seem to do things a lot differently in that they don't appear to be creating ISOs.

 

Hope you can help and many thanks in anticipation

 

Best Regards

 

Dumfy

[mmalves]

What are your options in the 'Potential Layer Break Positions' dialog? You can see it by going to Tools/ISO/Display IFO Layer Break Information and selecting your ISO image. Also, please attach the full log of your burn, which you can get by going to Help/ImgBurn Logs.

[polopony]

use Verbatim +R dual layer discs they're the only discs that work right for DL

[lfcrule1972]

I didn't have much luck with Traxdata DVD+R DL's so do as polo suggested and get Verb DVD+R DL's, a copy of the ImgBurn log would tell us if you are missing anything but like polo I think its the media.

[Dumfy]

Hi Everyone,

 

Many thanks indeed for the quick replies and all the help.

 

In response to mmalves and Ifcrule1972's request, I've attached a copy of the 'Potential Layer Break Positions' dialog to this reply and also a copy of the Imgburn log at the end of this note. I didn't have the original ISO I'm afraid, but created a new one. Dunno if this will help though. The log file is the original.

 

So may be the Traxdata discs could be the problem then. So does this mean I'm correct in thinking that an ISO image is a replica of the DVD and so being a 1:1 copy the layer change data is copied with it avoiding any fuss?

 

More questions I'm afraid...

 

I ripped using Ripit4me and the wizard option. In step #1 - ripping settings - I selected ISO instead of Full DVD. Is ISO the best method or should I have gone for Full DVD? I like keeping things simple if I can!

 

Lastly, is there a way of previewing the layer on a PC after burning? And how do I find where the layer change is on a disc I wish to copy, so that I can go straight to that chapter when trying the copy on a stand-alone DVD player?

 

Once again guys/gals, many thanks for the help. Appreciated indeed.

 

Best Regards

 

Dumfy

 

 

 

 

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; Thursday, 12 April 2007, 16:32:17

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I 15:51:26 ImgBurn Version 2.3.0.0 started!

I 15:51:26 Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)

I 15:51:26 Total Physical Memory: 523,564 KB - Available: 163,488 KB

W 15:51:26 Drive D:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.

I 15:51:26 Initialising SPTI...

I 15:51:26 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 15:51:26 Found 1 DVD-ROM and 1 DVD?RW/RAM!

I 15:52:04 Operation Started!

I 15:52:04 Source File: C:\DEVIL_PRADA_WS\DEVIL_PRADA_WS.MDS

I 15:52:04 Source File Sectors: 4,143,712 (MODE1/2048)

I 15:52:04 Source File Size: 8,486,322,176 bytes

I 15:52:04 Source File Volume Identifier: DEVIL_PRADA_WS

I 15:52:04 Source File Implementation Identifier: Daikin U.S. Comtec Lab

I 15:52:04 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, Joliet, UDF (1.02)

I 15:52:04 Destination Device: [0:0:0] TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-S182M SB03 (F:) (ATA)

I 15:52:04 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RITEK-S04-01) (Speeds: 4x, 6x)

I 15:52:04 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824

I 15:52:04 Write Mode: DVD

I 15:52:04 Write Type: DAO

I 15:52:04 Write Speed: MAX

I 15:52:04 Link Size: Auto

I 15:52:04 Test Mode: No

I 15:52:04 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 15:52:04 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,079,104

I 15:52:04 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: Copied From Original Disc

I 15:52:38 Filling Buffer... (20 MB)

I 15:52:41 Writing LeadIn...

I 15:52:44 Writing Image... (LBA: 0 - 4143711)

I 15:52:44 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2079103)

I 16:02:23 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 2079104 - 4143711)

I 16:12:26 Synchronising Cache...

I 16:12:29 Closing Track...

I 16:12:32 Finalising Disc...

I 16:13:11 Image MD5: cc0943b4b191eb87e04c991aa2559e99

I 16:13:11 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:21:07

I 16:13:11 Average Write Rate: 7,011 KB/s (5.1x) - Maximum Write Rate: 8,375 KB/s (6.0x)

I 16:13:11 Cycling Tray before Verify...

W 16:13:20 Waiting for device to become ready...

I 16:13:44 Device Ready!

I 16:13:45 Operation Started!

I 16:13:45 Source Device: [0:0:0] TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-S182M SB03 (F:) (ATA)

I 16:13:45 Source Media Type: DVD+R DL (Book Type: DVD-ROM) (Disc ID: RITEK-S04-01) (Speeds: 4x, 6x)

I 16:13:45 Image File: C:\DEVIL_PRADA_WS\DEVIL_PRADA_WS.MDS

I 16:13:45 Image File Sectors: 4,143,712 (MODE1/2048)

I 16:13:45 Image File Size: 8,486,322,176 bytes

I 16:13:45 Image File Volume Identifier: DEVIL_PRADA_WS

I 16:13:45 Image File Implementation Identifier: Daikin U.S. Comtec Lab

I 16:13:45 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, Joliet, UDF (1.02)

I 16:13:45 Verifying Sectors... (LBA: 0 - 4143711)

I 16:13:45 Verifying Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2079103)

I 16:22:31 Verifying Layer 1... (LBA: 2079104 - 4143711)

I 16:31:19 Device MD5: cc0943b4b191eb87e04c991aa2559e99

I 16:31:19 Image MD5: cc0943b4b191eb87e04c991aa2559e99

I 16:31:20 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:17:34

I 16:31:20 Average Verify Rate: 7,862 KB/s (5.7x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 13,984 KB/s (10.1x)

I 16:32:17 Close Request Acknowledged

I 16:32:17 Closing Down...

I 16:32:17 Shutting down SPTI...

I 16:32:17 ImgBurn closed!

[mmalves]

If you want an exact copy, ISO is the way to go.

As you can see from ImgBurn's log, it also replicates the original layer break:

I 15:52:04 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,079,104

I 15:52:04 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: Copied From Original Disc

 

The following is also good as it increases compatibilty with DVD players and consoles:

I 16:13:45 Source Media Type: DVD+R DL (Book Type: DVD-ROM) (Disc ID: RITEK-S04-01) (Speeds: 4x, 6x)

 

Notice from your screenshot that if you want to go where the layer break is on the disc, you should go to chapter 18 or 51m40s (maybe less a few seconds to be completely sure) and let it play. As you can see ImgBurn tells you everything

 

If you can, you really should try Verbatim DVD+R DL media, as they're the only good DL media. The others may work for a while, but you'll soon have problems with them, either playing or even copying/backing them up.

[lfcrule1972]

Don't forget if you highlight the option in your screenshot above you can then preview the selected layerbreak position and know exactly where it is. This is very useful when you have a selection of options as you can preview each one and visually compare where you want to put the layer breaks.

[Dumfy]

OK Guys,

 

Still having layer change problems, I'm afraid.

 

Again made an ISO file of the disc and this time burned it to Verbatim DVD +R Dual Disc. Both on PC and stand alone player, disc froze at layer change, but can skip to next chapter. Have pasted a copy of the burn log below. I did forget to change Book Type setting prior to burning image and of course couldn't do it once disc was finalised. It still played though.

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

thnx

 

Dumfy

 

 

 

 

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; ImgBurn Version 2.3.2.0 - Log

; Thursday, 19 April 2007, 15:16:33

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I 12:12:52 ImgBurn Version 2.3.2.0 started!

I 12:12:52 Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)

I 12:12:52 Total Physical Memory: 523,564 KB - Available: 162,256 KB

W 12:12:52 Drive D:\ (FAT32) does not support single files > 4 GB in size.

I 12:12:52 Initialising SPTI...

I 12:12:52 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 12:12:52 Found 1 DVD-ROM and 1 DVD?RW/RAM!

I 12:14:12 Operation Started!

I 12:14:12 Source File: C:\DJ_DVD9\DJ_DVD9.MDS

I 12:14:12 Source File Sectors: 3,206,560 (MODE1/2048)

I 12:14:12 Source File Size: 6,567,034,880 bytes

I 12:14:12 Source File Volume Identifier: DJ_DVD9

I 12:14:12 Source File Application Identifier: Nero Burning ROM

I 12:14:12 Source File Implementation Identifier: AHEAD Nero

I 12:14:12 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, Joliet, UDF (1.02)

I 12:14:12 Destination Device: [0:0:0] TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-S182M SB03 (F:) (ATA)

I 12:14:12 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: MKM-001-00) (Speeds: 2.4x)

I 12:14:12 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824

I 12:14:12 Write Mode: DVD

I 12:14:12 Write Type: DAO

I 12:14:12 Write Speed: MAX

I 12:14:12 Link Size: Auto

I 12:14:12 Test Mode: No

I 12:14:12 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 12:14:12 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,647,344

I 12:14:12 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: Copied From Original Disc

I 12:14:46 Filling Buffer... (20 MB)

I 12:14:46 Writing LeadIn...

I 12:14:50 Writing Image... (LBA: 0 - 3206559)

I 12:14:50 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 1647343)

I 12:31:23 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 1647344 - 3206559)

W 12:39:04 Waiting for buffers to recover...

W 12:39:15 Waiting for hard disk activity to reach threshold level...

I 12:39:52 Writing Image...

I 12:48:11 Synchronising Cache...

I 12:48:13 Closing Track...

I 12:48:15 Finalising Disc...

I 12:50:04 Image MD5: e4b977af92b022cf93bd86d49f173059

I 12:50:04 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:35:52

I 12:50:04 Average Write Rate: 3,204 KB/s (2.3x) - Maximum Write Rate: 3,418 KB/s (2.5x)

I 12:50:04 Cycling Tray before Verify...

W 12:50:11 Waiting for device to become ready...

I 12:50:34 Device Ready!

I 12:50:34 Operation Started!

I 12:50:34 Source Device: [0:0:0] TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-S182M SB03 (F:) (ATA)

I 12:50:34 Source Media Type: DVD+R DL (Book Type: DVD-ROM) (Disc ID: MKM-001-00) (Speeds: 2.4x)

I 12:50:34 Image File: C:\DJ_DVD9\DJ_DVD9.MDS

I 12:50:34 Image File Sectors: 3,206,560 (MODE1/2048)

I 12:50:34 Image File Size: 6,567,034,880 bytes

I 12:50:34 Image File Volume Identifier: DJ_DVD9

I 12:50:34 Image File Application Identifier: Nero Burning ROM

I 12:50:34 Image File Implementation Identifier: AHEAD Nero

I 12:50:34 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, Joliet, UDF (1.02)

I 12:50:34 Verifying Sectors... (LBA: 0 - 3206559)

I 12:50:34 Verifying Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 1647343)

I 12:57:59 Verifying Layer 1... (LBA: 1647344 - 3206559)

I 13:04:44 Device MD5: e4b977af92b022cf93bd86d49f173059

I 13:04:44 Image MD5: e4b977af92b022cf93bd86d49f173059

I 13:04:45 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:14:10

I 13:04:45 Average Verify Rate: 7,544 KB/s (5.4x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 10,502 KB/s (7.6x)

I 15:16:33 Close Request Acknowledged

I 15:16:33 Closing Down...

I 15:16:33 Shutting down SPTI...

I 15:16:33 ImgBurn closed!

[mmalves]

I did forget to change Book Type setting prior to burning image and of course couldn't do it once disc was finalised. It still played though.

(...)

I 12:50:34 Source Media Type: DVD+R DL (Book Type: DVD-ROM) (Disc ID: MKM-001-00) (Speeds: 2.4x)

ImgBurn automagically booktypes on LG (HL-DT-ST), Samsung (TSSTcorp) and Lite-On drives

[lfcrule1972]

I am confused you have a DL burn that is booktyped and plays ok - what's the problem again ? Sorry v tired today.

[Dumfy]

Hi Again,

 

lfcrule1972

 

Sorry, when I meant that the DL disc plays OK, it does until the layer change when the disc freezes in the player. Skip to the next chapter and it continues on. Does this with Verbatim DL discs too.

 

Rgds

 

Dumfy

[LIGHTNING UK!]

What made the MDS file and yet gave you an image created by Nero?

 

There's nothing to say the LB in that image is correct.

 

Go back to the raw files (IFO, BUP, VOB etc) and have ImgBurn create it's own layer break position and then ISO file by using Build mode. Of course you'll need to be using Verbatims for it to be a fair test.