thesdf Posted December 30, 2005 Author Posted December 30, 2005 This is how the disk looks like However I figured it out (finally). Yesterday I spent some time in burning. After destroyed 5 disks (at 75% as always), uninstall Alcohol120 (just in case interferes) roll back to previous (non-beta) version of bios (dated Sept 2005). No success with anything and additionally the max and average speed (according to log): Average Write Rate: 2,791 KB/s (2.0x) - Maximum Write Rate: 5,582 KB/s (4.0x) These are very low numbers although I set max speed. Eventually I installed the QSuite and disabled WOPC. That?s it guys. The write rate immediately reached 8x, the so-familiar success sound played again soon. Now according to log the speed: Average Write Rate: 10,483 KB/s (7.6x) - Maximum Write Rate: 11,155 KB/s (8.1x) I know this was my mistake from the beginning (that I didn?t try the Qsuite) but this thread can be useful to someone someday. WTF is WOPC and does it have a relation with my disks? I copy below the last (successful at last) log. Really thanks for the help guys. I had same assistance about a year and a half ago in DVDDecrypter forums and I really appreciate it. I 22:59:10 ImgBurn Version 1.1.0.0 started! I 22:59:10 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2) I 22:59:10 Initialising SPTI... I 22:59:10 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 22:59:10 Found 2 DVD?RWs! I 22:59:41 Operation Started! I 22:59:41 Source File: C:\DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS\MIKE\DESKTOP\MPTDVD-HMC-DVDR.IMG I 22:59:41 Source File Sectors: 2,295,905 (MODE1/2048) I 22:59:41 Source File Size: 4,702,013,440 bytes I 22:59:41 Source File Application Identifier: MKISOFS ISO 9660/HFS FILESYSTEM BUILDER & CDRECORD CD-R/DVD CREATOR (C) 1993 E.YOUNGDALE (C) 1997 J.PEARSON/J.SCHILLING I 22:59:41 Source File Implementation Identifier: mkisofs I 22:59:41 Destination Device: [0:3:0] BENQ DVD DD DW1640 BSOB (F:) (ATA) I 22:59:41 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: TYG02) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 8x) I 22:59:41 Destination Media Sectors: 2,298,496 I 22:59:41 Write Mode: DVD I 22:59:41 Write Type: DAO I 22:59:41 Write Speed: MAX I 22:59:41 Link Size: Auto I 22:59:41 Test Mode: No I 22:59:41 BURN-Proof: Enabled I 22:59:41 Filling Buffer... I 22:59:42 Writing LeadIn... I 22:59:59 Writing Image... I 23:07:17 Synchronising Cache... I 23:07:44 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:08:02 I 23:07:44 Average Write Rate: 10,483 KB/s (7.6x) - Maximum Write Rate: 11,155 KB/s (8.1x)
LIGHTNING UK! Posted December 30, 2005 Posted December 30, 2005 You should leave WOPC enabled. It basically checks the quality of the burn DURING the burn. If it notices the quality is sub-par, it'll slow it down until error rates are within acceptable limits. It really decent media, you can safely disable WOPC and then the drive will reach max speed (i.e. 16x). Sometimes it always falls short of that - even with proper 16x speed rated media. cdfreaks forum might be of use to you here. They talk about this sort of thing in the BenQ subforum quite a lot. If you're bored, perform another burn with WOPC enabled and then (within ImgBurn), click 'Display Graph Data Using DvdInfoPro' from within the File menu. You'll need DVDInfoPro installed of course - free version is fine. You can then see exactly how the drive is changing the write speed at the burn progresses.
thesdf Posted December 30, 2005 Author Posted December 30, 2005 OK but after a series of unsuccessful burn attempts (all of them freeze at about 75%) I had two continuous successful and faster burns only after I disabled WOPC If you're bored, perform another burn with WOPC enabled and then (within ImgBurn), click 'Display Graph Data Using DvdInfoPro' from within the File menu. In order to display the Graph Data Using DvdInfoPro, do I have to enable WOPC or I can do it with disabled WOPC as well and then compare both methods? Also I was wondering if there is some kind of incompatibility between my hardware and the WOPC and/or Benq drive. I have hardware raid0 configuration on 2 SEAGATE 160GB each 7200 SATA. The rest: ASUS ASUS K8NE ?DELUXE AMD AMD XP 3200+ 64 Thanks
chewy Posted December 30, 2005 Posted December 30, 2005 ASUS K8NE what are you using for the ide drivers? the NForce ones or the default MS ones?
LIGHTNING UK! Posted December 30, 2005 Posted December 30, 2005 You can burn with any options selected and at any speed. The Write Speed Graph is totally separate from all that stuff. It's just from ImgBurn taking 'samples' of the current speed at regular intervals (defaults to ever 100 milliseconds). WOPC is just a drive thing so I don't think it's possible to have incompatibilities with it.
thesdf Posted December 30, 2005 Author Posted December 30, 2005 ASUS K8NE what are you using for the ide drivers? the NForce ones or the default MS ones? I think the NForce
chewy Posted December 30, 2005 Posted December 30, 2005 (edited) I would defer to LUK on this but the consensus over at cdfreaks is those drivers can cause all kinds of problems with atapi devices. Standard procedure is roll back to the default MS ones. I just finished a reload of XP and the default drivers work very well. Edited December 30, 2005 by chewy
zacoz Posted January 2, 2006 Posted January 2, 2006 Got a Gigabyte GA-K8NS motherboard myself, using the same Nforce3 250 drivers - no major problems encountered. Only problem I had was that on swapping drives one time, system incorrectly reset DMA access to the slowest possible, even though it detected support for faster options. Manual override fixed it.
chewy Posted January 4, 2006 Posted January 4, 2006 Got a Gigabyte GA-K8NS motherboard myself, using the same Nforce3 250 drivers - no major problems encountered. Only problem I had was that on swapping drives one time, system incorrectly reset DMA access to the slowest possible, even though it detected support for faster options. Manual override fixed it. using the 2.6 version? burn times correlating to burn speeds?
zacoz Posted January 4, 2006 Posted January 4, 2006 Yep 2.6 Haven't checked the time vs reported speed - I 've trusted the speeds reported by ImgBurn Log of last burn done reports "Average Write Rate: 11,478 KB/s (8.3x) - Maximum Write Rate: 16,673 KB/s (12.0x)" I 12:21:39 ImgBurn Version 1.1.0.0 started!I 12:21:39 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2) I 12:21:39 Initialising SPTI... I 12:21:39 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 12:21:40 Found 1 CD-RW, 1 DVD-ROM and 1 DVD?RW! I 12:22:14 Operation Started! I 12:22:14 Source File: E:\XVID_018.ISO I 12:22:14 Source File Sectors: 2,278,448 (MODE1/2048) I 12:22:14 Source File Size: 4,666,261,504 bytes I 12:22:14 Source File Application Identifier: NERO BURNING ROM I 12:22:14 Destination Device: [0:2:0]PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108 1.20 (F:) (ATA) I 12:22:14 Destination Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: MCC-003-00) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x) I 12:22:14 Destination Media Sectors: 2,295,104 I 12:22:14 Write Mode: DVD I 12:22:14 Write Type: DAO I 12:22:14 Write Speed: 12x I 12:22:14 Link Size: Auto I 12:22:14 Test Mode: No I 12:22:14 BURN-Proof: Enabled I 12:22:14 Filling Buffer... I 12:22:15 Writing LeadIn... I 12:22:30 Writing Image... I 12:29:08 Synchronising Cache... I 12:29:09 Closing Track... I 12:29:14 Finalising Disc... I 12:29:36 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:07:21 I 12:29:36 Average Write Rate: 11,478 KB/s (8.3x) - Maximum Write Rate: 16,673 KB/s (12.0x) I 12:29:36 Cycling Tray before Verify... I 12:29:55 Operation Started! I 12:29:55 Source Device: [0:2:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108 1.20 (F:) (ATA) I 12:29:55 Source Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: MCC-003-00) (Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x) I 12:29:55 Image File: E:\XVID_018.ISO I 12:29:55 Image File Sectors: 2,278,448 (MODE1/2048) I 12:29:55 Image File Size: 4,666,261,504 bytes I 12:29:55 Image File Application Identifier: NERO BURNING ROM I 12:29:55 Verifying Sectors... I 12:36:18 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:06:23 I 12:36:18 Average Verify Rate: 11,897 KB/s (8.6x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 17,149 KB/s (12.4x) I 13:26:43 Close Request Acknowledged I 13:26:43 Closing Down... I 13:26:43 Shutting down SPTI... I 13:26:43 ImgBurn closed!
VincentL Posted January 10, 2006 Posted January 10, 2006 Hello I just want to report my ImgBurn 1.1.0.0 usage with Gigabyte GA-K8NF-9 with LG 4163B (firmware A105 and NVIDIA CK804 Parallel ATA Controller v2.7). I always got working copies with DVDDecrypter 3.5.4.0 or ImgBurn 1.0.0.0, but those does not really physically verify written data With ImgBurn 1.1.0.0, write operation OK, but verify always fails... Of course I tested with several brands, speed min/max, nothing to do I finally found the solution that work with my material and the interesting verify feature of ImgBurn 1.1.0.0: burn+verify with ImgBurn 1.0.0.0, then verify (real) with ImgBurn 1.1.0.0, it works ! It simply gets longer for me but burnings are 100% OK, that counts Thank you LIGHTNING UK!, keep up the good work
LIGHTNING UK! Posted January 10, 2006 Posted January 10, 2006 Is there *anything* non bog ISO standard about these images? I really don't understand where the data corruption is coming from. If there was some program problem I'd expect it to find its way into write and verify. They use the exact same function for reading from the file. Also, as only part of the sector seems to be wrong (not the entire sector), it really doesnt make sense! If only I could find a pc it breaks on and physically sit down at it and debug it
VincentL Posted January 10, 2006 Posted January 10, 2006 I do not understand where the problem could be, too Maybe would it be useful not to stop verify operation after first comparison error in ImgBurn 1.1.0.0 but just list errors in the log window, so we would be able to see if there is a lot of errors or only one error ? Second thing, you think it could be an ISO file issue, I had some ideas too but without making any change to an ISO file, I get verify error with 1.1.0.0, while burn+verify with 1.0.0.0 + verify (real) with 1.1.0.0 works perfectly... Could it be a write function error, or a write error (maybe with material, not ImgBurn), because with 1.1.0.0 I am always not able to read some sectors ? And finally, do not fall in total sadness I found a kind of solution with my material, it is unpleasant but not lethal Hope this could be helpful
LIGHTNING UK! Posted January 11, 2006 Posted January 11, 2006 You can press F6 to enable some additional debugging code. When Verify errors out, it'll dump the sector's data to the log. Next time you burn, maybe give that a try?
VincentL Posted January 12, 2006 Posted January 12, 2006 Hello, I just gave a try I/O Error! Device: [1:3:0]HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B A105 (D:) (ATA) ScsiStatus: 0x02 Interpretation: Check Condition CDB: 28 00 00 20 9B D0 00 00 01 00 Interpretation: Read (10) - Sector: 2137040 Sense Area: F0 00 03 00 20 9B D0 10 00 00 00 0C 11 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Interpretation: Unrecovered Read Error I will definitively stay with ImgBurn 1.0.0.0 burn+verify + 1.1.0.0 verify until next ImgBurn version.
LIGHTNING UK! Posted January 12, 2006 Posted January 12, 2006 That's a general read error though, nothing to do with miscompares during the verify. You drive is just doing such a shoddy burn on those discs that it can't then read them back. Any chance of getting a full copy + paste of the log?
VincentL Posted January 12, 2006 Posted January 12, 2006 Hello again, I did not saved it, but the log is 100% good, no error shown during burning And sorry I missed to tell you the fact when it is not Read Error, it is a Mismatch Error, everytime
lfcrule1972 Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 Did you view the log after pressing F6 ?? I think that is what Lightning UK! would like to see.....
LIGHTNING UK! Posted January 13, 2006 Posted January 13, 2006 See as you're always getting read errors, it would suggest the drive is having real trouble reading the sectors... yes? So it makes sense that it's ALWAYS having trouble reading them, but sometimes it actually thinks it has managed to (after a lot of error correction). My guess is that the error correction isn't good enough and the sector it is rebuilding and then returning to my program as a valid sector is indeed incorrect - hence the mismatch.
VincentL Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 (edited) Hello again First I want to thank you for your determination Here is a 1.1.0.0 log for CD burning and verifying... I 23:00:49 ImgBurn Version 1.1.0.0 started! I 23:00:49 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2) I 23:00:49 Initialising SPTI... I 23:00:49 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 23:00:49 Found 2 DVD-ROMs and 1 DVD-RAM/?RW! I 23:01:20 Operation Started! I 23:01:20 Source File: C:\IMAGE.BIN I 23:01:20 Source File Sectors: 290.208 (MODE1/2352) I 23:01:20 Source File Size: 682.569.216 bytes I 23:01:20 Source File Application Identifier: CDIMAGE 2.52 (03/09/2004 TM) I 23:01:20 Destination Device: [1:3:0] HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B A105 (D:) (ATA) I 23:01:20 Destination Media Type: CD-R I 23:01:20 Destination Media Sectors: 359.843 I 23:01:20 Write Mode: CD I 23:01:20 Write Speed: 4x I 23:01:20 Test Mode: No I 23:01:20 BURN-Proof: Enabled I 23:01:20 Filling Buffer... I 23:01:21 Writing LeadIn... I 23:02:11 Writing Image... I 23:18:18 Synchronising Cache... I 23:18:43 Exporting Graph Data... I 23:18:43 Graph Data File: C:\Program Files\ImgBurn1100\HL-DT-ST_DVDRAM_GSA-4163B_A105(6).ibg I 23:18:43 Export Successfully Completed! I 23:18:43 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:17:22 I 23:18:43 Average Write Rate: 690 KB/s (4.0x) - Maximum Write Rate: 716 KB/s (4.2x) I 23:18:43 Cycling Tray before Verify... W 23:18:52 Waiting for device to become ready... I 23:18:59 Device ready! I 23:18:59 Operation Started! I 23:18:59 Source Device: [1:3:0] HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B A105 (D:) (ATA) I 23:18:59 Source Media Type: CD-R I 23:18:59 Image File: C:\IMAGE.BIN I 23:18:59 Image File Sectors: 290.208 (MODE1/2352) I 23:18:59 Image File Size: 682.569.216 bytes I 23:18:59 Image File Application Identifier: CDIMAGE 2.52 (03/09/2004 TM) I 23:18:59 Verifying Sectors... E 23:20:31 Miscompare at LBA: 165129, Offset: 2064 E 23:20:31 Device: 0xD1 E 23:20:31 Image File: 0xB0 E 23:20:31 Failed to Verify Sectors! W 23:20:31 Note: The drive probably corrected the EDC/ECC Area because it's wrong in the image file. E 23:20:55 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:01:56 I 23:20:55 Average Verify Rate: 4.122 KB/s (27.5x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 5.299 KB/s (35.3x) Same image, a few minutes later, using 1.0.0.0 for burning and 1.1.0.0 for verifying... I 23:39:20 ImgBurn Version 1.0.0.0 started! I 23:39:20 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2) I 23:39:20 Initialising SPTI... I 23:39:20 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 23:39:20 Found 2 DVD-ROMs and 1 DVD-RAM/?RW! I 23:39:34 Operation Started! I 23:39:34 Source File: C:\IMAGE.BIN I 23:39:34 Source File Sectors: 290.208 (MODE1/2352) I 23:39:34 Source File Size: 682.569.216 bytes I 23:39:34 Source File Application Identifier: CDIMAGE 2.52 (03/09/2004 TM) I 23:39:34 Destination Device: [1:3:0] HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B A105 (D:) (ATA) I 23:39:34 Destination Media Type: CD-R I 23:39:34 Destination Media Sectors: 359.843 I 23:39:34 Write Mode: CD I 23:39:34 Write Speed: 4x I 23:39:34 Test Mode: No I 23:39:34 BURN-Proof: Enabled I 23:39:34 Filling Buffer... I 23:39:35 Writing LeadIn... I 23:40:24 Writing Image... I 23:56:30 Synchronising Cache... I 23:56:55 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:17:21 I 23:56:55 Average Write Rate: 690 KB/s (4.0x) - Maximum Write Rate: 695 KB/s (4.0x) ----- I 23:59:41 ImgBurn Version 1.1.0.0 started! I 23:59:41 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2) I 23:59:41 Initialising SPTI... I 23:59:41 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 23:59:41 Found 2 DVD-ROMs and 1 DVD-RAM/?RW! I 23:59:53 Operation Started! I 23:59:53 Source Device: [1:3:0] HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B A105 (D:) (ATA) I 23:59:53 Source Media Type: CD-R I 23:59:53 Image File: C:\IMAGE.BIN I 23:59:53 Image File Sectors: 290.208 (MODE1/2352) I 23:59:53 Image File Size: 682.569.216 bytes I 23:59:53 Image File Application Identifier: CDIMAGE 2.52 (03/09/2004 TM) I 23:59:53 Verifying Sectors... E 00:01:19 Miscompare at LBA: 165129, Offset: 2064 E 00:01:19 Device: 0xD1 E 00:01:19 Image File: 0xB0 E 00:01:19 Failed to Verify Sectors! W 00:01:19 Note: The drive probably corrected the EDC/ECC Area because it's wrong in the image file. E 00:01:34 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:01:41 I 00:01:34 Average Verify Rate: 4.462 KB/s (29.7x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 5.722 KB/s (38.1x) This time the mistake is the same ?! I am getting mad I buy others AAA+ DVDs, I will see if there are errors with those Edited January 14, 2006 by VincentL
LIGHTNING UK! Posted January 14, 2006 Posted January 14, 2006 Have you perhaps changed something - i.e. the volume label - since building that image? That would cause the error you're getting.
VincentL Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 Hello, Sometimes, I do. But those are mainly backup CD or DVD so I do not change the volume label because it is already OK I will report you my usage with AAA+ probably during the next week. Thank you
LIGHTNING UK! Posted January 15, 2006 Posted January 15, 2006 Ok, that's cool. Just to really point it out though... look at the 'NOTE:' line in the log. The actual data within the sector has compared just fine, it's the error correction stuff that's now different. Most drives totally ignore those bytes within the sector, on the fly when you burn - unless you burn in RAW mode (which I'm not). The drive then recalculates the data and burns the correct EDC/ECC data. So if you've not changed the image since it was first made, the program you used to create it hasn't done a very good job - because you drive is correcting what it has done! (That is a little weird though as it looks like you're using Microsoft's internal ISO building util!)
VincentL Posted January 16, 2006 Posted January 16, 2006 (edited) 99% are my images created by ImgTool Classic The image for test CD was supplied by a friend Yesterday I dropped down my second disk drive, leaving only HDD on primary IDE master and DVD-RW on secondary IDE, master. But nothing changed I would receive my AAA+ in three days, I will keep you inform Thank you again Edited January 16, 2006 by VincentL
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