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Burning/converting PAL to NTSC formats?


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#1 sachabear

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 12:05 AM

Hi. Just registered and poked around, nice forum.
So, I used to know how to use IMG to burn PAL files to a playable NTSC format for home DVD players but have tried recently and seem to have forgotten....
Can anyone help?
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Posted 15 October 2010 - 12:24 AM

You can't. You need another program for that task.

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 05:22 PM

Yeah, you need something like ConvertXToDVD or Nero Vision Express.

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 07:42 PM

Yeah, you need something like ConvertXToDVD or Nero Vision Express.

Actually I have used IMG to do this numerous times. It involves doing something like going to the options panel in the Build mode and selecting a particular file system and UDF version and then to labels and naming them HOME_VIDEO or something like that.
This process works great and I have burned probably 50 DVDs this way...I've just forgotten the combination of settings! :blush:

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 08:07 PM

lol trust me/us, it's not something ImgBurn can do.
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Posted 15 October 2010 - 09:05 PM

As far as I know, renaming VIDEO_TS to HOME_VIDEO will do nothing but result in an unplayable DVD. :)

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 09:28 PM

As far as I know, renaming VIDEO_TS to HOME_VIDEO will do nothing but result in an unplayable DVD. :)


SUCCESS! After making a few coasters I just figured out how its done and now know I'm not crazy. If I didn't have those 50 discs in my collection I would have given up, I mean how can you argue with a great programs AUTHOR?

Heres how: In Build mode add the individual files, not the TS folder. Go to Options and select ISO 9660+UDF. Go to Labels and enter HOME_VIDEO. Burn.

I just successfully burned a BBC Arcade Fire program in PAL and it plays perfectly in my Canadian NTSC region player.

Try it and get back to me.

IMGBurn IS an amazing program! Thanks :homestar:

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 09:52 PM

Yup, what you've done there is no different to how you'd normally do it.

ImgBurn will have put your files in a VIDEO_TS folder anyway if you actually look at the disc.

The volume label makes no difference at all.

If your player suddenly starts working, it's NOT because ImgBurn has converted the files from PAL to NTSC.
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Posted 15 October 2010 - 10:27 PM

To me, it sounds more likely that your video player is doing the converting for you. Or your TV is. I'd try that disc somewhere else and see if you get the same results to. Changing a label to anything won't affect whether the video stream is in PAL or NTSC or not. Nor will changing the file system type.

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 11:01 PM

To me, it sounds more likely that your video player is doing the converting for you. Or your TV is. I'd try that disc somewhere else and see if you get the same results to. Changing a label to anything won't affect whether the video stream is in PAL or NTSC or not. Nor will changing the file system type.



Well, nonetheless this method does make previously unplayable PAL content work in North American DVD players, whether or not the content is actually converted or not. And it remains playable in every machine I've tried, with no loss of quality, sync or menu problems at all.
It may surprise you all but after googling and searching for a simple solution without success and without a laborious conversion process using multiple software programs...
IMGBurn creates compatible DVDs between PAL and NTSC and thats what I need, as have many others in many forums. And its so simple.

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Posted 15 October 2010 - 11:16 PM

[quote name='LIGHTNING UK!' timestamp='1287179521' post='123730']
Yup, what you've done there is no different to how you'd normally do it.

I usually select the whole folder to burn, not the individual files :)

"ImgBurn will have put your files in a VIDEO_TS folder anyway if you actually look at the disc."

I know, but if I burn the whole folder as above, this doesn't work with PAL like it does with NTSC content.

"The volume label makes no difference at all."

Maybe not in a logical sense but it makes PAL playable on NTSC capable machines. I can't say why.

"If your player suddenly starts working, it's NOT because ImgBurn has converted the files from PAL to NTSC."

It very well may be that the files aren't actually converted but nonetheless they become playable which is the headscratching, frustrating problem so many users have tried to deal with. And its SO easy...no shrinking, converting back and forth between formats or compatibility issues etc :sorcerer: .

Anyways, I don't argue with success. Your wonderful program actually does this and I suggest you look further into this as it could help a lot of folks with this issue.

Thanks again!

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 03:13 AM

Provide a detailed step by step instruction list and I will try and put this theory to rest by actually testing it. :) I have several PAL discs I can test with.

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 02:38 PM

Provide a detailed step by step instruction list and I will try and put this theory to rest by actually testing it. :) I have several PAL discs I can test with.


Heres how: Burn from HD. In Build mode add the individual video files, not the Video_TS folder. Go to Options and select ISO 9660+UDF. Go to Labels and enter HOME_VIDEO for both ISO9660 and UDF. Burn.

This has worked great for me many times...Good Luck :pirate:

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 03:43 PM

Take a look at the actual burnt disc, does it have a VIDEO_TS folder?
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Posted 16 October 2010 - 05:09 PM

The steps as described do produce a disc with a VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS folder. And, to my utter and complete astonishment, the steps as described produce a disc that... totally fails. ;) I checked to make sure the source contents were in fact PAL and the Playstation 2 returned the message TV System Does Not Match, which means it's a PAL. I did the steps as described and got the same message, which means the disc produced by those steps is also still PAL.


The bottom line is these steps may work for you and more power to you. However, these steps do not work. :lol:

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 05:18 PM

Surely it just means the player can handle PAL and NTSC?

Where I'm from, that's just normal!
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Posted 16 October 2010 - 06:45 PM

I agree. Like I said earlier, it must be either the player or the TV that's doing the translating.

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 09:55 PM

Hmmm. Well then it's not the magic bullet...too bad. It does work for me though and my player/TV will NOT play PAL content any other way...another computer mystery I guess.
Still, this could also work for others with this problem if they want to try. :whistling:

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 10:05 PM

Well, I admit, you can't argue with results. If they work for you, they may work for someone else.

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Posted 16 October 2010 - 11:27 PM

This is rather absurd. Show us the logs, I can bet you the original VOB files are already in NTSC format, the logs from imgburn will confirm this.

If you somehow still insist that imgburn converts PAL to NTSC, then take the original UNBURNED copy, and run it through VLC and check the codec information by clicking on tools, and select 'codec information.' There a new window will show up and click the codec details tab. You will then see the details of the VOB file being played. Look at the resolution.

These are the specifications for PAL and NTSC:

From http://www.videohelp.com/dvd :

PAL

Video:
Up to 9.8 Mbps* (9800 kbps*) MPEG2 video
Up to 1.856 Mbps (1856 kbps) MPEG1 video
720 x 576 pixels MPEG2 (Called Full-D1)
704 x 576 pixels MPEG2
352 x 576 pixels MPEG2 (Called Half-D1, same as the CVD Standard)
352 x 288 pixels MPEG2
352 x 288 pixels MPEG1 (Same as the VCD Standard)
25 fps*
16:9 Anamorphic (only supported by 720x576)


NTSC

NTSC (NTSC Film)

Video:
Up to 9.8 Mbps* (9800 kbps*) MPEG2 video
Up to 1.856 Mbps (1856 kbps) MPEG1 video
720 x 480 pixels MPEG2 (Called Full-D1)
704 x 480 pixels MPEG2
352 x 480 pixels MPEG2 (Called Half-D1, same as the CVD Standard)
352 x 240 pixels MPEG2
352 x 240 pixels MPEG1 (Same as the VCD Standard)
29,97 fps*
23,976 fps with 3:2 pulldown = 29,97 playback fps (NTSC Film, this is only supported by MPEG2 video)
16:9 Anamorphic (only supported by 720x480)


I can agree with the author of the program (after all he WROTE, and knows its functions inside and out), that imgburn DOES NOT manipulate any files. The only program that the author LUK created that DOES manipulate DVD files is his now defunct DVDDecryptor, which all it does is strip regional codes, and PUOs, but DOES NOT in any way convert PAL to NTSC or vise-versa. End of argument.

Edited by Rincewind, 16 October 2010 - 11:55 PM.

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