LIGHTNING UK! Posted June 20, 2012 Posted June 20, 2012 Do a disc quality/PIPO scan on them. Maybe they aren't actually that good at all!
dbminter Posted June 20, 2012 Author Posted June 20, 2012 Could be. I shredded the last bad one but I'll try to remember to run a scan on the next one that fails. But, I don't have many of them left, so, it may never crap out again. BTW, this is the 2nd time now that when I've clicked on a link in an e-mail letting me know that a reply was posted to one of my posts, that it returned a 404 error.
dbminter Posted June 20, 2012 Author Posted June 20, 2012 Maybe the 404 was the reply was too new? I tired the link in my e-mail again and this time there was a page that loaded this post.
dbminter Posted June 20, 2012 Author Posted June 20, 2012 The fact that the USB burns don't seem to crap out, though, makes me wonder if they just happen to be bad discs only each time as I use them in the SATA drive. It's always possible, of course; everything is where I'm concerned!
LIGHTNING UK! Posted June 20, 2012 Posted June 20, 2012 I don't get forum emails so I don't know what the links even look like Feel free to forward one on to me if you wish.
dbminter Posted June 20, 2012 Author Posted June 20, 2012 Turns out I had 2 discs left. One burned without crapping out during Verify. So, that leaves, let me see, my college education should be useful for this one 1 left! It's burning right now, so, we'll see. Actually, after thinking about it a little bit, I may just switch entirely to using the USB drive. There are advantages to it. You don't have to crack open the PC case whenever the drive needs replacing. Since it's on the USB port, if the SATA HD starts thrashing, it shouldn't interfere with the USB burning the image because you wouldn't have a SATA burner and an SATA HD attached and in use. Unless it would cause a problem reading the image to send data to the drive. Which it may, I don't know. There would be one disadvantage that I see. The USB drive is slower on Verifies than an SATA one is. But, I may sacrifice some speed on Verify to get the other benefits. I'm already sacrificing some speed using Lite-On's because they don't write at 8x immediately to 8x DVD+RW. They write first at 6x and then after about 2 minutes write at 8x.
dbminter Posted June 20, 2012 Author Posted June 20, 2012 The last one failed! So, I'll get a disc quality scan ready. It's scanned in the same drive that burned it. Apparently, there is no attach option for Chat. So, I just attached it to a message sent to you.
dbminter Posted June 21, 2012 Author Posted June 21, 2012 Well, now I've gotten it on a DVD+RW! I 11:51:29 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 1710079) W 11:51:39 Failed to Read Sectors 160 - 191 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error W 11:51:49 Failed to Read Sector 160 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error E 11:52:06 Failed to Read Sector 160 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error E 11:52:06 Failed to Verify Sectors! E 11:52:08 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:00:37 That's it! I'm switching to using the USB drive exclusively as my primary burner.
dbminter Posted June 21, 2012 Author Posted June 21, 2012 Actually, I'm thinking it's the disc in this case. I fully erased it in the USB and tried to write the same image as before. But, it's stalling at each step, like Terminating Auto Insert Thread and Locking Drive For Exclusive Access... Yeah, Verify failed on the USB, too. Of course, the story of my life! It just HAPPENS to occur at the time I'm trying to debug some Verify issues with those Verbatims.
dbminter Posted June 21, 2012 Author Posted June 21, 2012 No, something IS up. I had a 2nd disc burned in the new SATA burner crap out at the start of a Verify. So, it's not writing to discs correctly, it seems. Thus, it ruins them and even the USB drive can't write to them.
dbminter Posted June 21, 2012 Author Posted June 21, 2012 Just burned one of these Ricoh 8x DVD+RW in the USB LiteOn before trying to burn it in the SATA 2012 LiteOn. No Verify crap out. So, there's something up with my SATA drives. I'll just stick to using the USB drive, then. It's easier.
dbminter Posted June 22, 2012 Author Posted June 22, 2012 Well, now it's the USB scanners that are acting up! VueScan previews correctly until you resize the scanning field. Then, the brightness shoots up to intolerable levels. This happens on both of my scanners, even after restoring Windows to an image where the scanners worked. I even disconnected them from the USB hub and plugged them directly into the USB ports on the case. So, I'll swap back in the 32 bit machne I replaced with this Dell and see how it goes. To be honest, I'm not satisfied with this Dell. Yes, it's 64 bit, but, working inside the case is a chore! You have to remove the graphics card to access the SATA ports on the mobo. Yes, I can boot from flash drives, but the bezel makes installing DVD drives a chore! You can't easily access the eject holes and you can't see the lights on the drive. I'd rather have something that works and go backwards than go forward with this! This, of course, is all dependent on whether swapping back in the 32 bit machine fixes the scanner and SATA drives ruining discs.
dbminter Posted June 22, 2012 Author Posted June 22, 2012 Actually, just sussed out the scanner issue. For whatever fucking reason, it only happens on ONE particular image I was trying to scan. I scanned what I had previously scanned last week and it scanned fine. But, whenever I try to get that one particular image scanned, it happens. Still doesn't fix my SATA problem, but, I can live with just using the USB burner.
dbminter Posted June 22, 2012 Author Posted June 22, 2012 It was the particular images I was trying to scan. It must be the reflective material that was on the image. But, for whatever reason, it wasn't too bright UNTIL I moved the focus of the scan to set a smaller field for scanning. I don't understand it, though, as my Rhino Transformers boxed sets are also made of a reflective material and they scanned fine. Weird.
dbminter Posted June 22, 2012 Author Posted June 22, 2012 Also discovered something else about Lite-Ons. Like with 8x DVD+RW, 6x DVD-RW does not immediately start at 6x. It starts at 4x for like 2 minutes then jumps up to 6x to finish the burn. Funny thing I got a maximum write rate of 6.2x! I've gotten things like 8.1x on 8x DVD+RW, but, I don't think I've ever gotten a .2 on a max rated write rate.
dbminter Posted June 23, 2012 Author Posted June 23, 2012 There's definitely something up with my SATA drives. Read rates in both SATA Lite-Ons are between 2x to 5x max whereas on the USB Lite-On, I'm getting about 10x max. So, I'm going to restore the June 1st backup and see if that improves my SATA experience at the moment.
dbminter Posted June 23, 2012 Author Posted June 23, 2012 Well, that didn't work; like I fucking expected it to work! It's a hardware issue. Either the mobo or the SATA cable. And, I'm not about to crack open the case yet again, remove the video card to get at the SATA cables, and try swapping those out. On June 1 and after, I got high read speeds on the SATA drives. Restoring to June 1 did NOTHING to fix the problem, so, it's nothing I can fix. I'm invested in this Dell for 2 years, at least, so, I'll just have to use my USB drive as my burner and reader.
dbminter Posted June 23, 2012 Author Posted June 23, 2012 Well, I went into my BIOS settings and used the F9 to reset to load optimized defaults. Right now I've got an 10x read 4 minutes 30 seconds into reading the disc. This is looking good! I'll know more when I get in some more of those Verbatims and try them out.
dbminter Posted June 23, 2012 Author Posted June 23, 2012 Took just under 10 minutes to do the read. Which is comparable to what the USB drive did. So, once I get those Verbs, I'll know for sure.
dbminter Posted June 23, 2012 Author Posted June 23, 2012 Sometimes, I learn from my mistakes. Like when I had a tech look at some problems in 2010. He fixed it by resetting the BIOS to defaults and swapping around the SATA cables on the drives. Someone here had told me, also, to reset my BIOS settings for a similar issue, but, I didn't do it. So, this time, I tried learning from my mistakes and tried resetting the BIOS since it was another SATA issue, like in 2010.
LIGHTNING UK! Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Don't forget you can get bios updates for those machines too. Just key in your service tag number at Dell's support website. After an F9 reset, is the controller still in AHCI mode?
dbminter Posted June 23, 2012 Author Posted June 23, 2012 Yes, in fact, BIOS updates are the only real updates that aren't over a year old for this machine. I bookmark the updates site for new updates to visit on the 2nd of every month. Yes, the SATA controller was still in AHCI mode. I didn't know anything about that setting, so, I left it alone! Got a 404 error trying to view the thread update in the e-mail. The link was: http://forum.imgburn.com/index.phpshowtopic=20104&st=40#entry141751
dbminter Posted June 23, 2012 Author Posted June 23, 2012 Just burned an 8x DVD+RW that completed its Verify and didn't destroy the disc, so, that's good news. I believe whatever was happening caused the drive to physically destroy the DVD-R's and DVD+RW's that were failing. Hence the large red areas on the PIPO scans. I won't know until I can burn several in a row. That won't be until I can order them on the 26th, which will take about a week to arrive.
LIGHTNING UK! Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Was that the exact email link? It's missing the question mark after index.php!
dbminter Posted June 23, 2012 Author Posted June 23, 2012 The e-mail link is: http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=20104&view=getnewpost but it loaded this: http://forum.imgburn.com/index.phpshowtopic=20104&st=40?do=findComment&comment=141765 I should say, these links are in the e-mail I received to notify me of your last post above.
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