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I'm trying to copy personal DVD's that were transferred from VHS. I put a DVD in the drive, and when I select 'Create Image File From Disc', this is where I'm having trouble.


It doesn't want to save an ISO file and shows a multi-track error message. I don't want to use the Build feature because I'm afraid of messing up. I want a 1:1, bit by bit copy/duplication for archive.


So I researched and found that Imgburn and the ISO format does not support multi-track DVD's whereas Bin/Cue does. Fair enough. But even when I try to keep the default .BIN setting after I select 'Create Image File From Disc', it shows the same error message.


I downloaded a trial of DVDFab, used the clone feature, and it somehow made an ISO without giving me an error, but it's giving me a region error when I try to play it. The DVD is NTSC! Apparently DVDFab has its own problems.


I really like Imgburn and have been using it for a long time for other purposes, but why can't I simply create an image file from my discs? It's not a movie, just a plain DVD transfer from VHS. I called the company that did the transfer asking if they put some copy protection on it, they said no.


Any advice? Thank you.

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Your only option with ImgBurn is to do what it says.


Start the program, click the 'Create image file from files/folders' button.


Make sure the 'Input' mode is set to 'Standard' (menu at the top)


Add the drive letter of your optical drive to the 'Source' box (i.e. 'D:\' - but without the quotes)


Pick a file name for the 'Destination' image file.


Click the big 'Build' button.


Once it has finished creating the image, burn it using Write mode.

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Thank you for the helpful response. I used the 'Create image file from files/folders'. Some questions:


1. Why does Imgburn create a MDS file for some ISO's, but not all? Why does it choose certain DVD's? Is it important to keep or can be deleted?


2. Is there any difference between an ISO or a BIN/CUE created using 'Create image file from file/folders'?


From my limited knowledge I think BIN saves an entire disc, all sectors, hidden, etc., but the 'Create Image file from files/folders' simply adds files so there is no difference between ISO and BIN, right?


I should also note that my main objective is to preserve these DVD's in case they become damaged or corrupted. They are important videos such as wedding.


Thank you.


Edit: Ok so I tried to do a BIN to compare, and Imgburn did not create any CUE files. This is quite strange. It's making MDS with ISO's, and making BIN's with no CUE.


Edit 2: Those ISO's with MDS files, when creating a BIN, it creates a MDS file. Btw, I haven't touched any setting in Imgburn, everything is the default. Really strange.


Edit 3: Another werird thing... the ISO and BIN's are 100% identical in size. It seems the only difference is the extension.


Edit 4: More weirdness... the ISO and BIN show a region error for one of the DVD's. Since DVDFab made the same error, I'm assuming the video transfer company made some mistake. But I do recall when Imgburn created the files it showed Region 1-8 and NTSC. VLC player plays it without a problem, so no biggie but just curious how this happens.

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1. Sometimes it's useful for things and sometimes it isn't. ImgBurn makes one (or doesn't) based on a set of rules.


2. BIN/CUE is for CD only. BIN files typically contain a RAW sector dump (2352 bytes per sector) rather than just the user data (known as 'cooked') sector dump (2048 bytes per sector) that makes up an ISO.


Edit 2: Changing the extension of a file doesn't make it a different file. :)


Edit 3: See Edit 2


Edit 4: If it's region free and the correct TV system type (NTSC or whatever), it sounds like your player has the problem. Does it play your original disc ok?

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1. I see. I did a search for rules and found an old post, and one of the rules was size. My ISO's that do have MDS files are less than a gig, so this mystery is solved. But I'm not comprehending what MDS is used for, is it important to keep just how a cue is important to a bin?


2. Understood, thanks for the explanation, CD = bin, DVD = iso.


4. It is region free and NTSC (I'm from the US), the original disc does plays fine on both my DVD player and computer. On the comptuer, Windows Media does not play it, gives a long region error message. VLC plays it fine. All the other copies work fine, all were done by the same transfer company. So I can logically assume they mistakenly put some DRM on one of the master DVD.

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