AC2002 Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 I'm using Verbatim BD-RE DL. The burner is Pioneer BDR-205 and is almost six years old. It burns successfully but it fails during verification. The failure will reflect the playback in the Bluray player because the movie will freeze/pixelate. I've started with about 40 of these discs and in the beginning all of them will burn and verify succesfully but as time goes by one by one they will fail verification. Once they fail verification they will never have a successful verification again. I've had a total of about 30 gone bad on me in the last 5 years. When they go bad I send them to Verbatim and they give me new ones and those eventually go bad also and the cycle is repeated. I've tried reformating the discs, burn in Safe Mode, putting the burner in a different PC, and cleaning the laser, all without success.I don't know what to think at this point, is it the burner or discs? If it's the burner then why do some fail verification and some don't. I'm all for buying a new burner IF the problem lies with the burner. Hopefully someone have had a similar problem and can help me out. I've attached a screenshot along with the log. The screenshot and log are from two different image file burn and verification but they have the same issue. I 18:23:39 ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 started!I 18:23:39 Microsoft Windows 8 Enterprise x64 Edition (6.2, Build 9200)I 18:23:39 Total Physical Memory: 4,060,328 KiB - Available: 2,990,388 KiBI 18:23:39 Initialising SPTI...E 18:23:39 Failed to check for ImgBurn update!I 18:23:39 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...I 18:23:40 -> Drive 1 - Info: PIONEER BD-RW BDR-205 1.12-GENERAL (E:) (ATA)I 18:23:40 Found 1 BD-RE!I 18:24:08 Operation Started!I 18:24:08 Source File: D:\KINGSMAN.isoI 18:24:08 Source File Sectors: 23,154,784 (MODE1/2048)I 18:24:08 Source File Size: 47,420,997,632 bytesI 18:24:08 Source File Volume Identifier: Kingsman - The Secret ServiceI 18:24:08 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 46C6B3A501614D2FI 18:24:08 Source File Application Identifier: GMBI 18:24:08 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurnI 18:24:08 Source File File System(s): UDF (2.50)I 18:24:08 Destination Device: [3:1:0] PIONEER BD-RW BDR-205 1.12 (E:) (ATA)I 18:24:08 Destination Media Type: BD-RE (Disc ID: VERBAT-IM1-000)I 18:24:08 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 2xI 18:24:08 Destination Media Sectors: 24,438,784I 18:24:08 Write Mode: BDI 18:24:08 Write Type: DAOI 18:24:08 Write Speed: MAXI 18:24:08 Hardware Defect Management Active: NoI 18:24:08 BD-RE FastWrite: NoI 18:24:08 Link Size: AutoI 18:24:08 Lock Volume: YesI 18:24:08 Test Mode: NoI 18:24:08 OPC: NoI 18:24:08 BURN-Proof: EnabledI 18:24:08 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 8,990 KB/s (2x)I 18:24:08 Advanced Settings - Optimal Writing Speed: NoI 18:24:09 Filling Buffer... (80 MiB)I 18:24:11 Writing LeadIn...I 18:24:23 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 23154783)I 18:24:23 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 23154783)I 18:24:23 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 12219391)I 19:10:55 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 12219392 - 23154783)I 19:52:43 Synchronising Cache...I 19:52:45 Exporting Graph Data...I 19:52:45 Graph Data File: C:\Users\bill\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\PIONEER_BD-RW_BDR-205_1.12_THURSDAY-JUNE-11-2015_6-24_PM_VERBAT-IM1-000_MAX.ibgI 19:52:45 Export Successfully Completed!I 19:52:45 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 01:28:36I 19:52:45 Average Write Rate: 8,739 KiB/s (2.0x) - Maximum Write Rate: 8,828 KiB/s (2.0x)I 19:52:45 Cycling Tray before Verify...I 19:53:09 Device Ready!I 19:53:10 Operation Started!I 19:53:10 Source Device: [3:1:0] PIONEER BD-RW BDR-205 1.12 (E:) (ATA)I 19:53:10 Source Media Type: BD-RE (Disc ID: VERBAT-IM1-000)I 19:53:10 Source Media Supported Read Speeds: 6xI 19:53:10 Source Media Supported Write Speeds: 2xI 19:53:10 Source Media Sectors: 24,438,784I 19:53:10 Source Media Size: 50,050,629,632 bytesI 19:53:10 Image File: D:\KINGSMAN.isoI 19:53:10 Image File Sectors: 23,154,784 (MODE1/2048)I 19:53:10 Image File Size: 47,420,997,632 bytesI 19:53:10 Image File Volume Identifier: Kingsman - The Secret ServiceI 19:53:10 Image File Volume Set Identifier: 46C6B3A501614D2FI 19:53:10 Image File Application Identifier: GMBI 19:53:10 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurnI 19:53:10 Image File File System(s): UDF (2.50)I 19:53:10 Read Speed (Data/Audio): MAX / MAXI 19:53:11 Read Speed - Effective: 2.5x - 6xI 19:53:11 Verifying Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 23154783)I 19:53:11 Verifying Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 23154783)I 19:53:11 Verifying Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 12219391)W 20:09:31 Failed to Read Sectors 8166848 - 8166879 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:09:35 Failed to Read Sector 8166848 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:09:35 Sector 8166848 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:24:50 Failed to Read Sector 8166849 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:24:50 Sector 8166849 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:24:54 Failed to Read Sector 8166850 - Reason: Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (ASC: 0x44, ASCQ: 0x1E)W 20:24:54 Sector 8166850 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:24:58 Failed to Read Sector 8166851 - Reason: Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (ASC: 0x44, ASCQ: 0x1E)W 20:24:58 Sector 8166851 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:25:01 Failed to Read Sector 8166852 - Reason: Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (ASC: 0x44, ASCQ: 0x1E)W 20:25:01 Sector 8166852 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:25:09 Failed to Read Sector 8166853 - Reason: Positioning Error Detected by Read of MediumW 20:25:09 Sector 8166853 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:25:11 Failed to Read Sector 8166854 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:25:11 Sector 8166854 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:25:14 Failed to Read Sector 8166855 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:25:14 Sector 8166855 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:25:16 Failed to Read Sector 8166856 - Reason: Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (ASC: 0x44, ASCQ: 0x1E)W 20:25:16 Sector 8166856 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:25:19 Failed to Read Sector 8166857 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:25:19 Sector 8166857 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:25:21 Failed to Read Sector 8166858 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:25:21 Sector 8166858 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:25:28 Failed to Read Sector 8166859 - Reason: Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (ASC: 0x44, ASCQ: 0x1E)W 20:25:28 Sector 8166859 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:25:31 Failed to Read Sector 8166860 - Reason: Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (ASC: 0x44, ASCQ: 0x1E)W 20:25:31 Sector 8166860 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:25:33 Failed to Read Sector 8166861 - Reason: Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (ASC: 0x44, ASCQ: 0x1E)W 20:25:33 Sector 8166861 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:25:36 Failed to Read Sector 8166862 - Reason: Positioning Error Detected by Read of MediumW 20:25:36 Sector 8166862 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:25:38 Failed to Read Sector 8166863 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:25:38 Sector 8166863 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:25:41 Failed to Read Sector 8166864 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:25:41 Sector 8166864 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:25:44 Failed to Read Sector 8166865 - Reason: Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (ASC: 0x44, ASCQ: 0x1E)W 20:25:44 Sector 8166865 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:25:46 Failed to Read Sector 8166866 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:25:46 Sector 8166866 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:25:48 Failed to Read Sector 8166867 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:25:48 Sector 8166867 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:25:51 Failed to Read Sector 8166868 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:25:51 Sector 8166868 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:25:53 Failed to Read Sector 8166869 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:25:53 Sector 8166869 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:25:56 Failed to Read Sector 8166870 - Reason: Positioning Error Detected by Read of MediumW 20:25:56 Sector 8166870 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:25:59 Failed to Read Sector 8166871 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:25:59 Sector 8166871 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:26:01 Failed to Read Sector 8166872 - Reason: Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (ASC: 0x44, ASCQ: 0x1E)W 20:26:01 Sector 8166872 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:26:04 Failed to Read Sector 8166873 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:26:04 Sector 8166873 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:26:06 Failed to Read Sector 8166874 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:26:07 Sector 8166874 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:26:09 Failed to Read Sector 8166875 - Reason: Unknown (Internal Target Failure) (ASC: 0x44, ASCQ: 0x1E)W 20:26:09 Sector 8166875 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:26:12 Failed to Read Sector 8166876 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:26:12 Sector 8166876 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:26:14 Failed to Read Sector 8166877 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:26:14 Sector 8166877 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:26:17 Failed to Read Sector 8166878 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:26:17 Sector 8166878 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:26:18 Failed to Read Sector 8166879 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:26:18 Sector 8166879 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:26:23 Failed to Read Sector 8166880 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:26:23 Sector 8166880 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsW 20:26:25 Failed to Read Sector 8166881 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:26:25 Sector 8166881 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsI 20:26:27 Abort Request AcknowledgedW 20:26:27 Failed to Read Sector 8166882 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable ErrorW 20:26:27 Sector 8166882 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00500.m2tsE 20:26:28 Failed to Verify Sectors!I 20:26:29 Exporting Graph Data...I 20:26:29 Graph Data File: C:\Users\bill\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\PIONEER_BD-RW_BDR-205_1.12_THURSDAY-JUNE-11-2015_6-24_PM_VERBAT-IM1-000_MAX.ibgI 20:26:29 Export Successfully Completed!E 20:26:29 Operation Aborted! - Duration: 00:33:18I 20:26:29 Average Verify Rate: 8,187 KiB/s (1.9x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 22,634 KiB/s (5.2x)
LIGHTNING UK! Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 I guess the only way to know is to take a disc that fails to burn and verify in your aging 205 and try it in a new drive... the 209 perhaps. If it also fails (you'd probably have to try it a couple of times after doing another full format), you'll know it's the media.
Ch3vr0n Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 Real verbatim bd-re with a matching mid? Is that the blue/silver ones? Sorry for going OT bit been looking for years since they stopped making them and selling that crap gang fake red/silver packaged ones.
dbminter Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 Yeah, I'm surprised you managed to find actual Verbatim MID BD-RE instead of the CMC junk. However, if they're six years old, that explains it. I,too, would be interested to know where you managed to get actual Verbatim BD-RE. Anyway, if your drive is six years old, yeah, replace the drive. My Pioneer is over a year old and that's a miracle that it still works in terms of optical drives.
AC2002 Posted June 14, 2015 Author Posted June 14, 2015 (edited) Real verbatim bd-re with a matching mid? Is that the blue/silver ones? Sorry for going OT bit been looking for years since they stopped making them and selling that crap gang fake red/silver packaged ones. They are the deep gray/silver ones (on the burning side). They are 100% genuine. Yeah, I'm surprised you managed to find actual Verbatim MID BD-RE instead of the CMC junk. However, if they're six years old, that explains it. I,too, would be interested to know where you managed to get actual Verbatim BD-RE. Anyway, if your drive is six years old, yeah, replace the drive. My Pioneer is over a year old and that's a miracle that it still works in terms of optical drives. I got them from Newegg & Tigerdirect. They are fairly easy to get. The Verbatim product number is 97536. Edited June 14, 2015 by AC2002
dbminter Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 Oh, I forgot we were talking about BD-RE DL. Yeah, Verbatim's BD-RE DL's are not CMC junk, most likely because CMC probably doesn't make BD-RE DL. All you can get for BD-RE from Verbatim is that CMC crap.
AC2002 Posted June 14, 2015 Author Posted June 14, 2015 I guess the only way to know is to take a disc that fails to burn and verify in your aging 205 and try it in a new drive... the 209 perhaps. If it also fails (you'd probably have to try it a couple of times after doing another full format), you'll know it's the media. I was getting ready to order the 209 before posting here for help. I'll go ahead and order it. I'm hoping it's my old 205 that's faulty but I have a feeling it's the discs and not the drive. Thanks for the help.
AC2002 Posted June 14, 2015 Author Posted June 14, 2015 Oh, I forgot we were talking about BD-RE DL. Yeah, Verbatim's BD-RE DL's are not CMC junk, most likely because CMC probably doesn't make BD-RE DL. All you can get for BD-RE from Verbatim is that CMC crap. So Verbatim's BD-RE and BD-RE DL are completely different in terms of quality? Strange. I've never dealt with BD-RE.
dbminter Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 Verbatim used to make their own BD-RE and it was of high quality. Then, like with the CD's and their brick and mortar store Life series DVD's, they switched to CMC junk, the worst media you can buy. Unfortunately, the only non BD-RE manufacturers I've come across as RITEK, which have playback issues in the Playstation 3, and Maxell's made by Panasonic. However, the Maxell BD-RE's are rated at 2x but only write at 1x max! Verbatim is somewhat of a sad company. They used to be totally reliable but then started getting in bed with CMC like everyone else. Unfortunately, I foresee a point where Verbatim will go for the bottom dollar and farm out everything they can to CMC. They'll stop making their own media.
Ch3vr0n Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 I don't mind importing a DL one lol, they can hold SL too. Mind posting a link? As far as verbatim recordable media goes I really hope they don't. They are now the last quality media manufacturers when in comes to single use recordable media. Tayo yuden will cease to exist end this year. JVC is shutting down, it's on myce.
dbminter Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 I was not aware that Taiyo Yuden/JVC were shutting down. I'm not familiar with JVC's media, but I've used many a Taiyo Yuden CD-R. You know what? It never occurred to me to get quality Verbatim BD-RE DL's and write single layer images to them! I do have 1 Verbatim BD-RE DL but it was mostly so I'd have one on hand in case I needed them. I also have 10 Verbatim inkjet BD-RE DL's but TDK made them. Which is interesting as TDK BD-RE is typical CMC junk!
dbminter Posted June 14, 2015 Posted June 14, 2015 Well, it's sadly true. http://www.kitguru.net/components/optical-drive/anton-shilov/taiyo-yuden-major-maker-of-recordable-optical-discs-exits-the-market/ That will mean that this board can only recommend Verbatim DVD-R going forward after TY ends. And, the problem there is people will get cheap CMC Verbatims from brick and mortar stores, not knowing we mean the DataLife series which you can only find online, usually.
AC2002 Posted June 15, 2015 Author Posted June 15, 2015 I don't mind importing a DL one lol, they can hold SL too. Mind posting a link? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817130191 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2124516&SRCCODE=WEBGOOPA&scid=scplp624290&gclid=Cj0KEQjw7_mrBRDH4Y2UjLHEmfcBEiQA8OTHfzGYIqaZ8NlnHXhrtJoFA6bH5GwkEacyszIxPrnztVYaAtJ38P8HAQ http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-Blu-ray-Double-ReWritable-97536/dp/B004Q9YPYI
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