dbminter Posted January 16, 2019 Posted January 16, 2019 I prefer MP4 over MKV myself. The Playstation 3 plays MP4 but I don't think it plays MKV. Plus, MKV's can take longer to load in video editing software because it has to compile some kind of video thumbnail list from the file. AVIDeMux has to generate TWO such lists from each MKV file. Sorry, never heard of Trisonic before you mentioned it earlier, so I can't say. It does seem unusual for a possibly no name company to farm out to Mitsubishi over CMC. Most of what I've found in dollar stores like Dollar Tree and places like Big Lots were all CMC. Still, you never can tell. I purchased a $1 Blu-Ray of a quality release from Dollar Tree. The 1987 Robocop director's cut. Normally over $8 on Amazon.com, just a buck. And it played all video just fine. So, someone like Trisonic using MCC isn't out of the question. If you can find MCC for cheap, go for it. Of course, there's always the risk that they're not true Mitsubishi media. Manufacturers in the past have been known to fake MID's on discs to make them appear to be better quality than they actually are. Besides, you can get branded Verbatim DataLife Plus DVD-R for like less than $15 for 50 of them, so it's not like the real deal quality stuff is very expensive. Recordable DVD prices have drastically dropped in recent years. Only DL media is really more expensive nowadays. I just ordered 50 Verbatim real deal branded DVD-R off of Amazon.com on the 13th for like between $13 and $14. With free shipping, the price is even cheaper.
dr_ml422 Posted January 16, 2019 Author Posted January 16, 2019 Thanks! I had that same issue with the MKV files, and subtitles were also pita at times. Trisonic is the answer to really crap merchandise at an affordable price and way better quality. They make everything! They're pretty steady with the CDS and DVDs they sell price wise, so just maybe they're right stuff. I'll be pulling the trigger on the DVD+R from Amazon myself. Seems the Verbatim are the only consistent lot from way back. They even have them ahead of the TYs. So TYs really weren't better at no time?
dbminter Posted January 16, 2019 Posted January 16, 2019 MKV is only really useful in one instance I've encountered. Some Blu-Ray contents when converted to containers have an audio file type (I think it's the audio that's problematic.) that requires you to use MKV if you're going to save the subtitles to the container. Otherwise, if you use MP4 for them, the subtitles must be and can ONLY be hardcoded, on the screen all the time, burned in subtitles. I don't know about the CMC era of Taiyo Yuden, but back when TY was in business making its own media, there were 2 quality blank media manufacturers: Mitsubishi (MCC) and Taiyo Yuden. I never used TY for DVD, but they were constantly being recommended by other ImgBurn beta testers, etc. I did, though, use TY for CD-R and they were high quality blanks for that. In fact, for a long time, I used primarily TY for CD-R's. Now, I use Verbatim DataLife Plus/AZO CD-R's.
Ch3vr0n Posted January 16, 2019 Posted January 16, 2019 MP4 does allow selectable subtitles, it's just uncommon to see.Verstuurd vanaf mijn Nexus 6P met Tapatalk
dbminter Posted January 16, 2019 Posted January 16, 2019 I had a Blu-Ray where I had to use MKV in order to enable selectable subtitles. I posted on the Handbrake forum why I couldn't disable the burned in the subtitles. From the log, it had something to do, I think, with a particular audio file type in the Blu-Ray. I was using MP4, but under this particular instance, MP4 would only always create burned in subtitles. Once the forum told me to try MKV instead, it worked.
dr_ml422 Posted January 20, 2019 Author Posted January 20, 2019 I haven't went into Bluray ripping/copying/burning yet as I've been hesitant to use Dual layer media. Has it been particularly good and consistent for a while? Bith DVD and Blu-ray DL? My last 4 spindles more or less have been those Shiny DVD-R Verbatim that coded out CMC MAG 3. I'm hoping they hold up for a bit, being that rumor etc... that CMC cleaned up their act. I'm staying with the DVD+R hoping they code out MCC. They'll be here Wednesday? My luck nothing close by on this order from Amazon. Gave me $5.00 credit. I hope they don't go down the drain because of this divorce! Stranger things have happened. You go Verbatim with DL also? Thanks.
dbminter Posted January 20, 2019 Posted January 20, 2019 Verbatim MCC is the only quality manufacturer of DVD+R DL out there, although I had good luck with TDK's about 10 years ago. I've only ever used MCC, Ritek, and TDK for DVD+R DL. I had 3 Riteks and 2 of them were unreadable after a year. All the TDK's were still readable after a few years and I only ever had 1 MCC that passed burn and Verify where a sector wasn't readable trying to playing it in a Playstation 2. I'd only ever use Verbatim, and I don't think Taiyo Yuden ever made DL media so Verbatim was the only quality manufacturer out there. Although, as I said, I had good luck with TDK's, though I doubt they make them anymore. As a general rule of thumb, I tend to primarily stick to Verbatim when MCC makes them or Verbatim makes their own BD-R. Never used DL for BD except for BD-RE, so I can only relate from the rewritable experience. Now, my results may not be very reliable because I hardly ever wrote to a lot of them except once a year. However, what would happen is they'd be fine the one year I wrote them but fail to write the 2nd time I'd try to write to them the next year for the monthly backups performed once a year. e.g. 12 discs, one for each month of the year. These were TDK and Verbatim BD-RE DL's that did this. Some BD-RE DL I'd formatted as giant floppies and wrote to them many times a month every month as they were monthly files backups. Those writes were all fine. As far as I know, CMC does not make BD-RE DL. They do make BD-RE and Verbatim farms out those discs to CMC. And there are NO alternatives from Verbatim as far as I know. So, I don't use Verbatim BD-RE anymore. However, there's not a lot of other options. Really just Ritek's that Memorex used to make and I don't think Memorex makes BD-RE anymore. I think Panasonic made some BD-RE the last time I bought some of those and I stocked up on them. Don't know if Panasonic still makes them anymore or not. Panasonic used to make quality DVD-R because they farmed out to Mitsubishi, who makes Verbatim's quality MCC stuff. So, I figured Panasonic's BD-RE would be decent enough. I primarily, like 99%, only use BD discs for data backups. Things like the monthly and yearly partition and files backups and the periodic daily files backups. Temporary file storage and things like that.
dr_ml422 Posted January 20, 2019 Author Posted January 20, 2019 Wow! I'll get back after I open and check out the DVD+R Verbatim. Squeaky wheel does get the oil! They expedited my regular 2 day Prime as it should be. Tried to make Wednesday the delivery day. Anyhow enjoy the games if you're into them!
dr_ml422 Posted January 21, 2019 Author Posted January 21, 2019 Ok so I couldn't find the edit function on my last post so here I am. I must admit that ever since I started using imgburn I never ever really had any issues with it as a burning application. The only thing I ran into was the upper and lower filter situation which was way over 10 years ago, and only on certain situation. I have a question. Does imgburn do any kind of file restructuring when it is getting ready to burn a DVD VTS folder? I think fix VTS is incorporated or no? Reason I ask is because I've used other programs where if you throw the VTS folder into the program as is sometimes it tells you that the DVD file structure is not right. So I'm wondering if there is some kind of sequence where it does have to be right? The new spindle so far coded out MCC-004-00. Great! Guess their DVD+R are MCC mostly. I also noticed that there's a RW on the disc as well. So are the DVD+R rewriteable? I was under the impression that they would say DVD+RW? Would you burn your best of the best videos as DVD even if you have a solid .mp4 file? I'm only hesitating because we're talking an easy hundred or more.
Ch3vr0n Posted January 21, 2019 Posted January 21, 2019 No, the RW is just a logo. Unless it said in big bold letters DVD+RW (not just the RW logo), they're NOT rewritable.Verstuurd vanaf mijn Nexus 6P met Tapatalk
dbminter Posted January 21, 2019 Posted January 21, 2019 Yeah, the RW logo doesn't necessarily mean it's a rewritable disc. It's the logo of the DVD+RW consortium who created DVD+R and DVD+RW. They force people to put their logo on the media as means of advertising and to charge an extra fee. Of course, what I do with a best of the best MP4 is create a DVD out of it, burn the DVD with the VIDEO_TS folder AND the MP4 to a DVD AND keep the MP4 file on my external HDD. But, I'm paranoid and don't want to lose anything.
dr_ml422 Posted January 21, 2019 Author Posted January 21, 2019 Thanks so much! You're not paranoid believe me. Though HDDs have come a long way they're still susceptible to some kind of defect, failure, etc... I'm reorganizing my whole set up and doing just that. Only thing I hate to waste space on a new blank with just one .mp4 file. If I put several on a DVD disc than it'll either be part of a series, or closely related movies. This last way I don't really like because filing them away then becomes an issue alphabetically. Is that why you just put one .mp4 on a DVD? There's a science to making a collection. Let me know. Also let me know about the DVD restructuring if any by ImgBurn. I'll look it up as well.
dbminter Posted January 21, 2019 Posted January 21, 2019 Oh, I forgot about the ImgBurn DVD structure part. I meant to comment on that before. Anyway, as far as I know, ImgBurn doesn't do anything with the VIDEO_TS contents besides check if they're compliant. If they're not, I don't think ImgBurn has the facilities to do any altering of the files. Except maybe the IFO's where it can do things like adjust/add the layer break. LUK would more about that and could comment on it. If more than one MP4 fits on a DVD and they're "related," e.g. say a movie and its sequel, if they'll fit on a DVD+R DL as both VIDEO_TS folders and the MP4's, I put them on one disc. Or multiple episodes of a TV show. I only save the files to MP4 because a DVD disc is an all or nothing affair. If the file becomes corrupt, it can't be read. So, the HDD copy is a backup. I've had cheap DVD's fail long before an HDD would. And I've rarely had an actual HDD failure. The only one I ever had was a cheap Compaq PC, e.g. an HP, where its HDD died 1 day after the warranty was up. It turned me off to HP/Compaq junk forever. And as far as my USB HDD's go, I've never had one of the actual internal HDD's fail. Just the USB bridge in the enclosure to fail. So, I could take out the actual physical HDD itself and recover the contents. Although with the Western Digital models I now prefer, they make it impossible to actually get the physical HDD out of the enclosure. And they do that so that when it fails, they can charge you a data recovery fee to get the data back out of it. But, I've got multiple redundancies of backup images on other USB HDD's, so I don't need to invest in that.
dr_ml422 Posted January 21, 2019 Author Posted January 21, 2019 I'm glad we're talking. I haven't actually put anything I've burned to play and see what happens. I just did and saw that one of my Batman DCAU files was still in .AVI. Oh well now I'm going to recheck and re-encode whatever's needed. I too reassuringly take a good burn at face value. God knows they're could be ghost files in there. I swore ImgBurn had FixVTS within to do just that with any out of sequence structure. If you get a chance swing by any .99¢ and check out those Trisonic DVD blanks. See what coding on the MID you get.
dbminter Posted January 21, 2019 Posted January 21, 2019 I've never heard of FixVTS, but if you search this forum for it, there are apparently error messages from it generated by ImgBurn. So, maybe there is some processing done. I'd guess it may have to to get the layer breaks working right? I don't know. Unfortunately where I live, there are no 99 cent stores. The closest we have are 2 Dollar Tree stores where everything is either a dollar or less. The last time I saw recordable DVD there was some Phillips DVD-R that were 2 for a buck. You can guess what they were. In fact, the last time I saw DVD-R that wasn't CMC crap was Sony Ritek DVD-R from over a decade ago back when K-Mart carried them. If your DVD player supports playing back container files, there's little need to convert them to DVD Video, actually. Really all you're gaining in a navigation menu and chapter breaks. And I guess if your containers have multiple audio tracks or subtitles, they would be selectable if your player doesn't natively support such functions. Since BD-R lasts longer than recordable DVD because they use organic dyes which decay faster and BD-R burns metallic oxides which last longer, I will often times make a long term archive of a DVD Video to them. Blu-Ray players won't play them because Sony was so pissy they dictated that Blu-Ray players don't check the folder structure to see what the media is to play but check for the media type inserted to decide to how to play them. So, what I'll sometimes do is collect a large number of container files together for one BD-R and let my PS3 play those. The draw back is the PS3 doesn't navigate container files as easily as it does DVD Video. Of course, what I'm more likely to do is just use one of my 256 GB flash drives to store container files for playback on my PS3. Because it's 5 times the size of a BD-R and can be reused, I generally more often than BD-R just write files to a flash drive I have dedicated for PS3 container files, firmware update files, and PS3 file backups.
dr_ml422 Posted January 22, 2019 Author Posted January 22, 2019 Well I meant any discount store. Trisonic is a pretty household name in many parts. I just would like to know what they code out to and your take. They run for about 3 for 2 bucks, so if they code out MCC why not. You mean Sony can dictate what other Blu-ray players can or can't do? Or just their players? Many Blu-ray players are even more adaptable to the many formats than say the PS4. Sony decides outright what Blu-ray does? That 256GB flash drive sounds like a nice monster to have in one's arsenal! They last like crazy! Well after checking some already encoded files it looks like some were poorly converted. Thank God we started this discussion. Now I have to re-rip, convert, and burn some already processed files. This time I'm throwing everything into either the PC or Player right afterwards. Definitely have to stick with the usual suspects when it comes to encoding, transcoding, decoding etc... Stay away from WinXDVD. The promise looks and sounds great though more than not it's defective. Shame! I actually liked what they are offering.
dbminter Posted January 22, 2019 Posted January 22, 2019 Sony pretty much created the Blu-Ray format so they dictate how Blu-Ray players operate. Never heard of WinXDVD, so I can't say. I use ConvertXToDVD to convert containers to DVD. I've used it for like a decade. The quality of the resulting DVD will also, of course, depend on how good the quality of the video in the source file is.
dr_ml422 Posted January 23, 2019 Author Posted January 23, 2019 Wow! That's a lot of power there on Sony's end. Blu-ray really hasn't replaced DVD. They took a big gamble and pretty much won in a different way. I use VSO myself. Though lately the support hasn't been that good floabw. When you start telling the customer to look all over, take snapshots, blah blah blah, then basically there is no support. Why is it a file will be an issue in one proggie, and the same file will flow like butter in another? Happens all the time. Thank God we started this thread as I mentioned. I went back and discovered all sorts of files that need processing. Either to DVD or MP4 etc... Will players usually play a VTS folder burned as data? Or safest bet is to burn as DVD Video? Thanks.
dbminter Posted January 23, 2019 Posted January 23, 2019 Power is what it's all about. Sony wanted control. And that's what they're all after. Control. Hence why they want streaming to replace physical copies. To charge you to stream something so they can later take it away and then mysteriously reclaim the rights to bring it back... and, of course, charge you a NEW license to stream it. Interestingly enough, Sony created Betamax and lost that format war, even though it was the superior format. Sony creates Blu-Ray and wins that format war, even though it's not the superior format. DVD's are all but replaced, but not by people's choice. The movie companies pretty much stopped making DVD's because they only want to sell you more expensive Blu-Rays. It started with producing DVD's with fewer special features to try and get people to justify buying Blu-Rays. Now, movie companies have all but dried up DVD production because they want to sell you only more expensive Blu-Rays. People didn't buy into the hype because Blu-Ray was only marginally better video quality. And on an upscaling DVD player, you really can't tell the difference between DVD and Blu-Ray anymore. Blu-Rays are also far more (too) Draconian to deal with. I also use VSO's ConvertXToDVD. As I said, I've used it for about a decade. Bought the lifetime license so I got the best deal. Tech support has always been a bit iffy with them. Right now, their tech support is nonexistent because they're moving their corporate headquarters. Supposedly by the end of this month, VSO tech support will be back on track. It worries me, though. Why move your corporate HQ unless you're going through rough financial times? Because all programs use proprietary methods of dealing with how they operate, one software may do something right whereas one won't. I've encountered, also, instances with ConvertXToDVD where it fails on my end but tech supports claims it works on their end. For instance, 2 pass encoding used to work, but stopped working a few revisions ago. I tried to tell tech support this, but they claim they can't reproduce it. It worked before and then stopped working. Regressing back to the older version fixed the issue, so the problem is they introduced a bork into the newer versions. What happens is ConvertXToDVD will add a solid green screen replacing the first 2 minutes of the output when 2 pass encoding is selected. Even on a virgin install of Windows 10, with nothing else installed, and on 2 different Dell XPS PC models. There's no difference between a data DVD and a DVD Video disc except for a few file system options. All data on a DVD Video is treated as data. There's just specific format options that must be adhered to for a DVD player to play the disc. They just call it DVD Video to distinguish it from just a collection of non DVD Video data. ImgBurn will detect when you import VIDEO_TS folders and make the appropriate changes for you if you agree to them.
dr_ml422 Posted January 24, 2019 Author Posted January 24, 2019 Okay so that's what the support is all about lately huh! yes they told me they were moving but they just didn't tell me that that's why the support has been low as of late. they just for the sake of pride try to tell you this, and that, and try to do this, and try to do that, you know how it goes. Anyway I've got their other software the convert x to video and that seems to be running pretty well except that the output file is way larger than what any of the other conversion software I used used to output to. you tell vso that and they tell you that even though their output file is larger, that quality is better, though I don't believe that for one second because it isn't true. I'm never going to mess with MKV files as long as I can do without them. I just ran into a whole sort of problems again, and it looks like I just might have to do everything over again. which is fine with me because now I know that I've rechecked everything. The subtitles will just not sync with MKV files that much at all! best thing is to just download the video in a minute or two than to try to sync those subtitles believe me. I've never been able to sync them. You think a little bit along the way is that I do myself. What's going on that things haven't been so well and they're moving? I mean there in France somewhere I think right?oh maybe they started out as a French company and there's somewhere in the Netherlands. It pretty much doesn't mean anything with them because they're not into any ripping software.
dbminter Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 The probable reason your output files are larger than they should be is you're using ConvertXToVideo. I've never used it, but I thought it only converted video to Blu-Ray and to other container file formats. Blu-Ray folders will be larger, I'd say, because they have higher video quality in them. I don't know, though; maybe ConvertXToVideo has a DVD Video VIDEO_TS output option. That being said, I have encountered the odd container over the years that wasn't movie length yet created a nearly full DVD-R VIDEO_TS.
dr_ml422 Posted January 24, 2019 Author Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) Best I can do through edit was delete the double message. Edited January 24, 2019 by dr_ml422 Double post?
dbminter Posted January 24, 2019 Posted January 24, 2019 Why did a copy of your last post double up just now?
dr_ml422 Posted January 24, 2019 Author Posted January 24, 2019 The larger output files were done with the convert x to video app. I meant to say that before. I would convert certain files weather MKV, MPG, or video TS and the resulting. Mp4 file using h point 264 plus a ACC would come out way larger than what other apps would make it out to be. Vso told me that's because they were a better quality. But I don't believe that for a second. I found out of sync audio and certain other issues with some video files that I had processed earlier before. I think they were done with that other app that I told you about which I'm fighting about. They're convert x to DVD somehow limits the output to about 2.4 or something gigabytes no matter how many files you put in more or less. I've converted two maybe three MP4 files to VTS using convert x to DVD and the resulting file was always a little less than 3 GB or just a little more. I don't know how they do it but the results were pretty decent enough to watch at least. I think I'm going to limit it to just one video per DVD or maybe two. Also I noticed that convert x to DVD will not use the hardware optimization option. I think it has to do with the frames per second for video DVD. Although using the CPU as software for the conversion I think does raise the frame per second to about 48 to 54 more or less depending on how the program sees fit.
dr_ml422 Posted January 24, 2019 Author Posted January 24, 2019 I don't know I tried to delete it via the edit option and it wouldn't do so. Can you please delete that double post for me or ask Lightning to do so if needed? I don't know why it double posted, but when I noticed it I tried to go into the edit function and delete everything and then save that deleted file but it wouldn't take.
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