Mikeuk2002 Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Hi, i tried experimenting of reducing a BD50 to dvd9 size retaining HEVC, i burnt it to a dvd but my hardware player ( xbox ) refuses to play it, im assuming the player is seeing a dvd but the files on the disc are not what it expects ???, is there any settings in imgbur that can trick or force the dvd to think its a bluray ??? Thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 If you're trying to play a DVD Video disc on an XBox, there must be a VIDEO_TS folder in the root directory of the disc. In that VIDEO_TS, there must be a VIDEO_TS.IFO file in addition to other .IFO and .VOB files. Check the root directory of this DVD-9 disc you made for those files and folders. If they're not there, then it's not a DVD Video compliant disc. Actually, another thing I should ask. What kind of XBox is this? I'm not familiar with XBoxes, so I don't know which models supported Blu-Ray playback. However, it is in the specifications of most Blu-Ray players, and I think should be all, that a properly formatted BDMV folder put on a DVD disc should play Blu-Ray content back. I think what you're trying to do is reauthor a BD-50 Blu-Ray so the BDMV folder is the size of a DVD-9? If so, that should be possible. I've just never done it. And since you're introducing another factor in here with compressing down the BDMV from BD-50 to DVD-9 size, you could be introducing new sorts of issues which I wouldn't be aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeuk2002 Posted October 21, 2023 Author Share Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) thanks for the reply, yes your correct im trying to shrink a bluray to the size of a dvd9 but keep it as a bluray so yes BDMV, its an xbox series X , i use software to shrink bd50 to burn on a bd25 disc and that works fine, the software also allows it to shrink to dvd9 size, but once burnt to a DVD the player says unable to play this disc Edited October 21, 2023 by Mikeuk2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 I've got a Blu-Ray player. If you could provide me with links to the software you mentioned, provided it's not software that needs a paid license, and preferably instructions on how to shrink a BD-50 BDMV, I can try it. I could try out what you were attempting with a BD-50 of my own and shrink it down to DVD-5 for testing on a DVD+RW. However, I've never done this before and Blu-Ray Video discs are not my specialty as I am more familiar with DVD Video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeuk2002 Posted October 21, 2023 Author Share Posted October 21, 2023 sure, before i do, should i pm you the instructions or in here ?? as the process can violate copyright laws 😬 and not sure if this forum allows this kind of topic ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 Depends on the copyright laws being violated. If you're going to offer instructions on cracking a piece of paid software, then, no, you wouldn't want to post that here. However, if it's just conversion of an already extracted BD Video disc, you're not giving any instructions on how to decrypt a copy protected disc. I would think any conversion instructions don't involve telling someone how to decrypt a Blu-Ray. The BD Video disc I would use is a non copy protected Blu-Ray I made from home videos. It's already extracted and required no decrypting because it wasn't encrypted to begin with. Unless BD Video is automatically always encrypted as part of its structure. Since these are my own home videos, there's no copyright being violated. But, if you wanted to make absolutely sure you weren't stepping on anyone's toes here, go ahead and PM me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeuk2002 Posted October 21, 2023 Author Share Posted October 21, 2023 ok we will go on the assumption you already have a decrypted copy of a bluray to hand , i use BDrebuilder BD Rebuilder Beta - Bug Reports Only - Doom9's Forum to shrink, this guide here is very old but i think will do How to copy a Blu-ray disc using BD Rebuilder (dvd-guides.com) for testing purpose under settings, output size, dvd9 , encoder settings Good fastest and 1 pass ( as high quality shrinking will take a fair amount of time, were just interested if its possible for now ) you might need avisynth Avisynth rev. 2 download | SourceForge.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeuk2002 Posted October 21, 2023 Author Share Posted October 21, 2023 (edited) i also came across this post but they are talking about AVCHD Blu Ray file system on DVD-R media ? - VideoHelp Forum im hopeing to keep menus as is per a bluray though Edited October 21, 2023 by Mikeuk2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 I remember reading about BDRebuilder from years ago, but never tried it out. I believe I have AVISynth already installed. I will change the output setting to DVD-5, if it's available, so I can put it on a DVD+RW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeuk2002 Posted October 21, 2023 Author Share Posted October 21, 2023 ok cool, be interested to see if you can figure a way to get it to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 This probably won't work anyway. Every title set returns an error saying the resulting disc will probably be too large for the DVD-5 target size. And, I won't waste a DVD-9 to test this. I might be able to take the output if it's too large for DVD-5 and feed it into another round of compression for a new DVD-5. See if that works. Although, the end result may still work. It's just very annoying to have to tell the software to keep continuing with each title set. There should be a Yes All option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 In the meantime, help me out with a little future prediction. If I can get it to work, I have a theory as to why it may not work for you. But, I need you to open the ImgBurn log from Help, find the part of the log where you burned this DVD-9 that is not playing, and copy and paste the entire Write and Verify portions of that burn here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 I got a "Check Disk" error on my Blu-Ray player, so BDReBuilder is not writing correct output, probably. It is, after all, beta software. Not even at 1.0 yet. Tomorrow, I'll write this output to a BD-RE and test it. If it fails on the BD-RE, then the fault is in BDReBuilder itself. If it does work, then I can't say what the issue is with BD content on DVD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeuk2002 Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 (edited) Hi thanks for testing, not sure on the errors your getting ?? , i have used BDrebuilder for years shrinking BD50 to BD25 with no size errors, also my test of shrinking to DVD9 also created an image the correct size ??, ohh i never verify my writes 🤠 😁 , the disc seems to work as intended if inserted into my pc and using VLC you can emulate a bluray player, the menus work and the film plays, noticbly it all seems slower loading the menus which i assume is because dvd has a slower read speed ?? but the movie plays fine //****************************************\\ ; ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 - Log ; Thursday, 12 October 2023, 22:10:49 ; \\****************************************// ; ; I 21:44:33 ImgBurn Version 2.5.8.0 started! I 21:44:33 Microsoft Windows 8 Professional x64 Edition (6.2, Build 9200) I 21:44:33 Total Physical Memory: 33,289,444 KiB - Available: 22,534,724 KiB I 21:44:34 Initialising SPTI... I 21:44:34 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 21:44:34 -> Drive 1 - Info: HL-DT-ST BD-RE BH16NS55 1.02-01 (G:) (USB 2.0) I 21:44:34 -> Drive 2 - Info: Msft Virtual DVD-ROM 1.0 (F:) (Virtual) I 21:44:34 Found 1 DVD-ROM and 1 BD-RE XL! I 21:44:49 Operation Started! I 21:44:49 Building Image Tree... I 21:44:50 Calculating Totals... I 21:44:50 Preparing Image... I 21:44:50 Contents: 1,261 Files, 43 Folders I 21:44:50 Content Type: BD Video I 21:44:50 Data Type: MODE1/2048 I 21:44:50 File System(s): UDF (2.50) I 21:44:50 Volume Label: [Not Configured] I 21:44:50 Size: 7,431,773,484 bytes I 21:44:50 Sectors: 3,629,614 I 21:44:50 Image Size: 7,439,745,024 bytes I 21:44:50 Image Sectors: 3,632,688 I 21:44:50 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:00 I 21:45:11 Operation Started! I 21:45:12 Building Image Tree... I 21:45:18 Calculating Totals... I 21:45:18 Preparing Image... I 21:45:18 Contents: 1,261 Files, 43 Folders I 21:45:18 Content Type: BD Video I 21:45:18 Data Type: MODE1/2048 I 21:45:18 File System(s): UDF (2.50) I 21:45:18 Volume Label: Homemovie I 21:45:18 Size: 7,431,773,484 bytes I 21:45:18 Sectors: 3,629,614 I 21:45:18 Image Size: 7,439,745,024 bytes I 21:45:18 Image Sectors: 3,632,688 I 21:45:25 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:13 I 21:45:25 Operation Started! I 21:45:25 Source File: -==/\/[BUILD IMAGE]\/\==- I 21:45:25 Source File Sectors: 3,632,688 (MODE1/2048) I 21:45:25 Source File Size: 7,439,745,024 bytes I 21:45:25 Source File Volume Identifier: Homemovie I 21:45:25 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 574CADA5003768AE I 21:45:25 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.5.8.0 I 21:45:26 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn I 21:45:26 Source File File System(s): UDF (2.50) I 21:45:26 Destination Device: [0:0:0] HL-DT-ST BD-RE BH16NS55 1.02 (G:) (USB) I 21:45:26 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RITEK-S04-66) I 21:45:26 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 4x, 8x I 21:45:26 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824 I 21:45:26 Destination Media L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,086,912 (Changeable: Yes) I 21:45:26 Write Mode: DVD I 21:45:26 Write Type: DAO I 21:45:26 Write Speed: 4x I 21:45:26 DVD+R DL Reserve Track: No I 21:45:26 Link Size: Auto I 21:45:26 Lock Volume: Yes I 21:45:26 Test Mode: No I 21:45:26 OPC: No I 21:45:26 BURN-Proof: Enabled I 21:45:26 Write Speed Successfully Set! - Effective: 5,540 KB/s (4x) I 21:45:26 Book Type Setting: N/A (Reason: Invalid Command Operation Code) I 21:45:26 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,816,352 I 21:45:26 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: ECC Block Boundary I 21:45:26 Set L0 Data Zone Capacity Succeeded! I 21:45:26 L0 Data Zone Capacity - Effective: 1,816,352 I 21:45:26 Filling Buffer... (80 MiB) I 21:45:27 Writing LeadIn... I 21:46:06 Writing Session 1 of 1... (1 Track, LBA: 0 - 3632687) I 21:46:06 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 3632687) I 21:46:06 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 1816351) I 21:57:38 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 1816352 - 3632687) I 22:09:17 Synchronising Cache... I 22:09:18 Closing Track... I 22:09:32 Finalising Disc... I 22:10:26 Exporting Graph Data... I 22:10:26 Graph Data File: C:\Users\mike7\AppData\Roaming\ImgBurn\Graph Data Files\HL-DT-ST_BD-RE_BH16NS55_1.02_THURSDAY-12-OCTOBER-2023_9-45_pm_RITEK-S04-66_4x.ibg I 22:10:26 Export Successfully Completed! I 22:10:26 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:25:00 I 22:10:26 Average Write Rate: 5,226 KiB/s (3.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 5,564 KiB/s (4.1x) I 22:10:49 Close Request Acknowledged I 22:10:49 Closing Down... I 22:10:49 Shutting down SPTI... I 22:10:49 ImgBurn closed! Edited October 22, 2023 by Mikeuk2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeuk2002 Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 upon further investigation the error code thrown by the Xbox implies there is problems with some dvd and bluray sometimes throwing up this error message, my next port is to try the dvd in a different bluray player and see what happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Because I got a playback error, the log wasn't really necessary anymore. One thing I did notice that you might want to take notice of, though, is the use of Ritek discs. The only reliable DVD+R DL is Verbatim DataLife Plus with MKM in the Disc ID. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 Copying the DVD-5 contents to BD-RE works. So, it's specifically copying them to DVD's that isn't playing. And, I haven't the foggiest notion where to start. Blu-Ray Video is not my area of expertise; DVD Video is. However, after testing the BD-RE, I've NO idea why you'd want to copy a BD Video to a DVD-9. The DVD-5 video quality was awful. You're better off trying to save money if you compress a BD-50 to BD-25. A high quality BD-R only costs $1 in bulk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikeuk2002 Posted October 23, 2023 Author Share Posted October 23, 2023 no worries, Thanks dbminter for your time testing and experimenting, it was purely a inquisitive thought, ive got loads of blank dvds lying around, and thought lets see if i can shrink to dvd9 and make them work , i was kinda hopeing the xbox would of been smart enough to go hay the contents are a bluray lets play it, but alas no , yes i usualy do use BD25 discs Thanks again Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbminter Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Yeah, unfortunately it's not the XBox that is doing it. It's most likely the Blu-Ray playback standard set by Sony for use in all Blu-Ray player hardware's software. For instance, they say it allows BDMV's to play from DVD but not VIDEO_TS to play from BD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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