Momentary pauses during playback

[kirk1701™]

Hi All.

 

Recently started burning to DL media and using ImgBurn with Verbatim +R DL discs ID: MKM-001-00

 

The standalone I normally use which has played everything I threw at it from day one almost three years ago don't seem to want to play nice with Verbs now

 

Usually starts about 15 minutes into the movie and the momentary pauses are just that, not a freeze up just a split second pause like you see somewhere in the middle of some movies at the layer break. The further into the movie you get, the more ofetr the pauses get until it becomes so frequent it just gets to annoying. The stand alone is a Toshiba and guess I'm a little to used to using this for everything as it also has TiVo Built in.

 

Now I have another player that also has a standalone in it, a panasonic which is my sound system and it will play the same disc just fine that the toshiba will pause with.

 

Now a certain someone (he knows who he is, Thanks for the help so far) told me that the toshiba being 3 years old might be why it don't play DL media so well and to see if there is a firmware upgarde for it. To the best of my knowledge, there isn't and no way to upgrade it.

 

http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/dvr/product.asp?model=sd-h400

 

I have been using the Panasonic to play the DL media movies on but it don't have the features in it that the Toshiba has and also, picture is not as sharp because all that is hooked up to it is a S-Video cable and not the component video cables like are hooked up to the Toshiba so I'm hoping there is a way to solve this to continue using the Toshiba till someone comes out with a TiVo series 3 box with a built in DVD player in it

 

Any ideas guys, I'm out of um.

Thanks for the help in advance

[dontasciime]

maybe you just need a lens cleaner

 

The standalone I normally use which has played everything I threw at it from day one almost three years ago don't seem to want to play nice with Verbs now

 

The now kinda indicates it used to and now it does not, though i don't think you mean't that , so maybe dl media is not on it's list of formats.

 

You set book type to dvd-rom ?

Edited January 26, 2007 by dontasciime

[kirk1701™]

maybe you just need a lens cleaner

 

The standalone I normally use which has played everything I threw at it from day one almost three years ago don't seem to want to play nice with Verbs now

 

The now kinda indicates it used to and now it does not, though i don't think you mean't that , so maybe dl media is not on it's list of formats.

 

You set book type to dvd-rom ?

 

We'll dontasciime, the first part of your answer I would agree with but....it still plays the Taiyo Yuden +R and -R's just fine. If the lens were dirty would it not also skip with all media?

 

Now as for the book type I have never messed with that so, might be something to try on my next burn

 

Could use more info on this please.

[dontasciime]

It may not like dual layer + or be in its list of playable media types, therefore setting booktype on your verb dl+ to dvd-rom would make it look more like a pressed disc to your system as these are DVD-ROM

[kirk1701™]

It may not like dual layer + or be in its list of playable media types, therefore setting booktype on your verb dl+ to dvd-rom would make it look more like a pressed disc to your system as these are DVD-ROM

 

I'll give this a try on the next burn and let you know the results tonight. Thanks don

[kirk1701™]

OK, I went to change the book type and But like it says on the welcome tab "I don't know what I'm doing"

 

I don't see a tab for my PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 1.58 (ATA)

 

So, which manufacturer do I select before I change??

[dontasciime]

I'm pretty sure pioneer 109 automatically sets the book type to dvd-rom on +R media i think this also the case for Dual Layer.

 

Can you check in dvdinfopro to see the last disc you recorded to see if it tells you dvd-rom.

 

IF its auto setting them to dvd-rom then your problems lie elsewhere with the stuttering etc.

[dontasciime]

also after looking at pdf specs of your toshiba tivo etc, it only mentions dvd-r, so the auto book type to -r when using your single layer +, looks like it hates dual layer

 

if your tosh is out of warranty you could open it have a look at which model dvd-rom drive is in there, or if you happen to know, maybe there is firmware for just the rom drive that you could install rom drive in pc and update or even replace the rom drive to one that plays dual layer, this depends on the dynamics of the tray/rom drive in your tivo etc.

 

looked for ages to find which model is in there, have also asked toshiba for firmware maybe they will give me link

Edited January 26, 2007 by dontasciime

[kirk1701™]

I'm pretty sure pioneer 109 automatically sets the book type to dvd-rom on +R media i think this also the case for Dual Layer.

 

Can you check in dvdinfopro to see the last disc you recorded to see if it tells you dvd-rom.

 

IF its auto setting them to dvd-rom then your problems lie elsewhere with the stuttering etc.

 

OK, maybe this is a dumb question but where do I find dvdinfopro so I can get the info your needing...

 

also after looking at pdf specs of your toshiba tivo etc, it only mentions dvd-r, so the auto book type to -r when using your single layer +, looks like it hates dual layer

 

if your tosh is out of warranty you could open it have a look at which model dvd-rom drive is in there, or if you happen to know, maybe there is firmware for just the rom drive that you could install rom drive in pc and update or even replace the rom drive to one that plays dual layer, this depends on the dynamics of the tray/rom drive in your tivo etc.

 

looked for ages to find which model is in there, have also asked toshiba for firmware maybe they will give me link

 

Yea, I seen that also, only mentions dvd-r but it plays both +R and -R's just fine.

 

It is out of warranty and I have opened it up to take a look see, the ROM drive is pretty much soldered into the unit and onto the boards so it can't be removed.

 

Have not went as far as to call Toshiba as I'm assuming the worst

[lfcrule1972]

http://www.dvdinfopro.com/

 

There you go kirk

[dontasciime]

It will play +r if the ones you have tried were burned on your pioneer 109 as that automatically changes the +r to dvd-rom for you , got a feeling that if you had a burner that left the book type as +r your Toshiba would reject it and say no disc.

[kirk1701™]

http://www.dvdinfopro.com/

 

There you go kirk

 

Thanks lfc

 

OK, here yu go I hope this is what you need.

 

 

Media Information

Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO

Media code/Manufacturer ID MKM 001

Media Product Revision Number 00h

Format Capacity Blank Disc

Free Blocks 4253024256

Free Capacity 7.96GB(8.55GB)

Book Type DVD+R DL

Media Type DVD+R DL

Manufacturer Rated Speed 2.4x 3324KBps

Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps

Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps

Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.4x 3324KBps

Data area starting sector 30000h

Layer 0 end sector 22D7FFh

Linear Density 0.293um/bit

Track Density 0.74um/track

Number of Layers 2

Layer Track Path direction (OTP) Opposite track path

[dontasciime]

put one you have already burned in

[dontasciime]

open up dvdinfo pro, select the drive you have with the already burnt dual layer in and press either media icon or pi po icon

 

 

Edited January 27, 2007 by dontasciime

[LIGHTNING UK!]

ImgBurn tells you all that info in the little panel on the right!

 

Just look for 'Physical Format Information (Last Recorded)'

 

In any case, booktype is normally only an issue to reading the discs FULL STOP, not to improve what can already be read.

 

I believe it was for drives that examined the 'book type' field and compared it to an internal table of values that it knew it supported. If the value wasn't in the table (which it wouldn't have been for DVD+R) it would just refuse to do anything with the disc.

 

The stuttering is going to be 1 (or more) of 3 things. You're getting duff burns because:

 

1. The pioneer is wearing out (dirty laser?)

2. The media is gradually getting lower quality. (OMG, not the Verbs!!!!)

3. The standalone is wearing out (dirty laser?)

 

Double layer discs have always been harder to burn and harder to read back, it probably doesn't take much for them to become nonburnable / unreadable - I mean, just look at Ritek DL discs, they're awful at the best of times - even with perfect equipment!

[dontasciime]

would have been easier..

 

just noticed on reinstalling dvdinfopro to this computer i get accuracy and balanced MAX LBA in window etc on pioneer 108 for scan, this unique to my pioneer 108 ?

 

Been a long time since i used dvdinfo with a pioneer..

Edited January 27, 2007 by dontasciime

[LIGHTNING UK!]

I believe Nic uses a different screen for every drive - so where features don't apply (i.e. going from a benq/liteon to a pioneer), some bits get removed and replaced by nothing/other stuff.

 

He may also just not bother updating certain screens when he redesigns others!

[dontasciime]

Thanks thought i was seeing things, like i said been a long time since i used my pioneer drives.

[kirk1701™]

ImgBurn tells you all that info in the little panel on the right!

 

Just look for 'Physical Format Information (Last Recorded)'

 

In any case, booktype is normally only an issue to reading the discs FULL STOP, not to improve what can already be read.

 

I believe it was for drives that examined the 'book type' field and compared it to an internal table of values that it knew it supported. If the value wasn't in the table (which it wouldn't have been for DVD+R) it would just refuse to do anything with the disc.

 

The stuttering is going to be 1 (or more) of 3 things. You're getting duff burns because:

 

1. The pioneer is wearing out (dirty laser?)

2. The media is gradually getting lower quality. (OMG, not the Verbs!!!!)

3. The standalone is wearing out (dirty laser?)

 

Double layer discs have always been harder to burn and harder to read back, it probably doesn't take much for them to become nonburnable / unreadable - I mean, just look at Ritek DL discs, they're awful at the best of times - even with perfect equipment!

 

OK, If I uderstand what your saying LUK I can forget about infoPro as it won't help

 

Now the burns I have made are not bad, they do play on the standalone player that is my sound system (The Panasonic) as I have said.

 

That being said, the 3 things you listed boils down to 1 thing right? The standalone that I like to use (the Toshiba) is wearing out or just don't support DL media? As it still plays everything else but the DL media awsome.

 

Let me know if you want the 'Physical Format Information (Last Recorded) from ImgBurn and if anyone else wants screenshots of InfoPro incase I misread what LUK is saying.

 

Thanks for all the help eveyone

[Kenadjian]

That being said, the 3 things you listed boils down to 1 thing right? The standalone that I like to use (the Toshiba) is wearing out or just don't support DL media? As it still plays everything else but the DL media awsome.

 

I think this is the case kirk.

 

Oh, just one thing comes to mind, have you got a log for this thing? Did the disc finalize ok?

[kirk1701™]

That being said, the 3 things you listed boils down to 1 thing right? The standalone that I like to use (the Toshiba) is wearing out or just don't support DL media? As it still plays everything else but the DL media awsome.

 

I think this is the case kirk.

 

Oh, just one thing comes to mind, have you got a log for this thing? Did the disc finalize ok?

 

Yep, the disc finalized fine and as I said, they play super in the Panasonic.

 

Are you looking for a log of a DL Burn with ImgBurn? If so I think I will as it saves the logs right? If so I don't remember where so let me know that and I'll get it posted up.

[kevdriver]

Hey Kirk, Help>imglogs>copy and paste.....

[kirk1701™]

Hey Kirk, Help>imglogs>copy and paste.....

 

OK, think this is what you want, not the whole log from start to finish as it contains all the logs right?

 

Here's the last burn from a DL disk

I 18:09:31 ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 started!

I 18:09:31 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)

I 18:09:31 Initialising SPTI...

I 18:09:31 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 18:09:41 Found 2 DVD-ROMs and 1 DVD?RW!

I 18:10:40 Operation Started!

I 18:10:40 Source File: J:\test\test.mds

I 18:10:40 Source File Sectors: 4,054,496 (MODE1/2048)

I 18:10:40 Source File Size: 8,303,607,808 bytes

I 18:10:40 Source File Volume Identifier: test

I 18:10:40 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.1.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!

I 18:10:40 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 18:10:40 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 18:10:40 Destination Device: [0:1:0]PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 1.58 (D:) (ATA)

I 18:10:40 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: MKM-001-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x)

I 18:10:40 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824

I 18:10:40 Write Mode: DVD

I 18:10:40 Write Type: DAO

I 18:10:40 Write Speed: MAX

I 18:10:40 Link Size: Auto

I 18:10:40 Test Mode: No

I 18:10:40 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 18:10:40 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,060,288

I 18:10:40 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: Copied From Original Disc

I 18:10:59 Filling Buffer...

I 18:10:59 Writing LeadIn...

I 18:11:09 Writing Image...

I 18:11:09 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2060287)

I 18:19:58 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 2060288 - 4054495)

I 18:28:49 Synchronising Cache...

I 18:28:50 Closing Track...

I 18:28:57 Finalising Disc...

I 18:30:06 Image MD5: 673676b851153396dabbcdeacdde60bc

I 18:30:06 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:19:26

I 18:30:06 Average Write Rate: 7,657 KB/s (5.5x) - Maximum Write Rate: 8,372 KB/s (6.0x)

I 18:30:06 Cycling Tray before Verify...

I 18:30:31 Device Ready!

I 18:30:31 Operation Started!

I 18:30:31 Source Device: [0:1:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 1.58 (D:) (ATA)

I 18:30:31 Source Media Type: DVD+R DL (Book Type: DVD-ROM) (Disc ID: MKM-001-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x)

I 18:30:31 Image File: J:\test\test.mds

I 18:30:31 Image File Sectors: 4,054,496 (MODE1/2048)

I 18:30:31 Image File Size: 8,303,607,808 bytes

I 18:30:31 Image File Volume Identifier: test

I 18:30:31 Image File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.1.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!

I 18:30:31 Image File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 18:30:31 Image File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 18:30:31 Verifying Sectors...

I 18:31:04 Abort Request Acknowledged

E 18:31:04 Failed to Verify Sectors!

E 18:31:04 Operation Aborted! - Duration: 00:00:32

I 18:31:04 Average Verify Rate: 4,436 KB/s (3.2x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 5,222 KB/s (3.8x)

I 18:31:12 Close Request Acknowledged

I 18:31:12 Closing Down...

I 18:31:12 Shutting down SPTI...

I 18:31:12 ImgBurn closed!

Edited January 28, 2007 by kirk1701

[kirk1701™]

Here's another:

 

I 14:55:42 ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 started!

I 14:55:42 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)

I 14:55:42 Initialising SPTI...

I 14:55:42 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 14:55:42 Found 2 DVD-ROMs and 1 DVD?RW!

I 14:56:42 Operation Started!

I 14:56:42 Building Image Tree...

I 14:56:42 Checking Directory Depth...

I 14:56:42 Calculating Totals...

I 14:56:42 Preparing Image...

I 14:56:48 Using Layer Break LBA: 2033829 -> 2033840 (VTS_06, PGC: 1, Cell: 23, Vob/Cell ID: 2/1, Time: 00:53:10, SPLIP: No)

I 14:56:49 Checking Path Length...

I 14:56:49 Image Size: 8,300,331,008 bytes

I 14:56:49 Image Sectors: 4,052,896

I 14:56:49 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:07

I 14:58:15 Operation Started!

I 14:58:15 Building Image Tree...

I 14:58:15 Checking Directory Depth...

I 14:58:15 Calculating Totals...

I 14:58:15 Preparing Image...

I 14:58:19 Using Layer Break LBA: 2033829 -> 2033840 (VTS_06, PGC: 1, Cell: 23, Vob/Cell ID: 2/1, Time: 00:53:10, SPLIP: No)

I 14:58:19 Checking Path Length...

I 14:58:19 Image Size: 8,300,331,008 bytes

I 14:58:19 Image Sectors: 4,052,896

I 14:58:38 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:22

I 14:58:38 Operation Started!

I 14:58:38 Source File: -==/\/[bUILD IMAGE]\/\==-

I 14:58:38 Source File Sectors: 4,052,896 (MODE1/2048)

I 14:58:38 Source File Size: 8,300,331,008 bytes

I 14:58:38 Source File Volume Identifier: MOVIE

I 14:58:38 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.1.0.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!

I 14:58:38 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 14:58:38 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 14:58:38 Destination Device: [0:1:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 1.58 (D:) (ATA)

I 14:58:38 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: MKM-001-00) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 6x)

I 14:58:38 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824

I 14:58:38 Write Mode: DVD

I 14:58:38 Write Type: DAO

I 14:58:38 Write Speed: MAX

I 14:58:38 Link Size: Auto

I 14:58:38 Test Mode: No

I 14:58:38 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 14:58:38 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,033,840

I 14:58:38 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: IFO Cell Boundary, 'SPLIP' Flag Not Set

I 14:58:54 Filling Buffer...

I 14:58:55 Writing LeadIn...

I 14:59:05 Writing Image...

I 14:59:05 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2033839)

I 15:07:38 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 2033840 - 4052895)

I 15:16:48 Synchronising Cache...

I 15:16:49 Closing Track...

I 15:16:50 Finalising Disc...

I 15:17:28 Image MD5: b2295d0e58ed529155bd1928422ae731

I 15:17:28 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:18:50

I 15:17:28 Average Write Rate: 7,632 KB/s (5.5x) - Maximum Write Rate: 8,349 KB/s (6.0x)

I 15:19:25 Close Request Acknowledged

I 15:19:25 Closing Down...

I 15:19:25 Shutting down SPTI...

I 15:19:25 ImgBurn closed!

Edited January 28, 2007 by kirk1701

[kevdriver]

Hey Kirk, Try burning at 2.4X on DL media even if they can handle faster burns, not that that is an issue here, but it will increase your chances of a good burn. The logs look alright, and the discs do play well in your Panasonic, so like the others I'm assuming its your toshiba player that just doesn't like them. If it was a bad burn thingy then more than likely even your Panasonic would cough when viewing the finished product.