device not ready (no reference position found)

foxchief · August 18, 2008

First I select burn image file to disc, choose the file and it supposedly will start burning, but it's constantly waiting in the Que list and doesn't burn. Near the bottom of this software window, in red it reads Device Not Ready (No Reference Position Found).

*I checked my device Manager. (Hardware Tab of system properties) checked for any unknown devices not working, my device was properly listed under CD/DVD and says no problems found in the driver properties for my DVD device.

I have burned before with Magic Disc and other software, Nero, power iso, etc.

I have never been able to burn with this software. Maybe it's possible it's clashing with other burning software? I do not have any other processes running, no background processes by any burning software that would be accessing the disc.

I even tried disabling my virtual drives, thinking they were problematic to this drive, but nothing so far.

**mmalves** · August 18, 2008

Are you sure you have a DVD burner? Can you post a log from ImgBurn? It's in Help -> ImgBurn Logs.

foxchief · August 18, 2008

; //****************************************\\

; ImgBurn Version 2.4.2.0 - Log

; Monday, 18 August 2008, 11:39:03

; \\****************************************//

;

I 11:26:02 ImgBurn Version 2.4.2.0 started!

I 11:26:02 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)

I 11:26:02 Total Physical Memory: 2,096,364 KB - Available: 1,493,848 KB

I 11:26:02 Initialising SPTI...

I 11:26:02 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 11:26:02 Found 2 DVD-ROMs and 1 DVD

**mmalves** · August 18, 2008

Open ImgBurn, switch to Write mode, insert one of the previously burned discs, copy the Information shown on ImgBurn's window and paste here. The No Reference Position Found usually happens when your drive doesn't recognize/support the media you're trying to use (e.g. brand new 16x blank on an old burner).

foxchief · August 20, 2008

Actually I found out, it's not reading any DVD's. My DVDRW drive make is Liteon, model LH-16W1P. It's actually on the same IDE line as my hard drive. I am thinking this is causing interruption. Even though this setup works with a different drive, it's an HP CDRW, model C4495. I double checked to make sure one is set to master and the other slave. I have tried switching the master and slave and no difference. Cable Select does not boot. The Liteon DVD firmware is up to date. I will soon get a new Hard Disk to fit my motherboard upgrade to SATA2, but until then I have to daisy chain my HD and cd drive on one IDE cable. There is only one on this mobo, but 6 SATA2 inputs. I need to upgrade my hard drive, and throw this one in my modded Xbox!! IDE is junk.

My motherboard has an IDE Controller to prevent interrupt, but it seems to not work with a DVDRW drive, only CDRW.

foxchief · August 21, 2008

Does anybody understand why a hard drive and a cd burner works fine on the same IDE cable, but a DVD burner and a HD reads audio and cd rom discs, but does not read DVD or burned discs. It works fine on a seperate IDE (different computer)

**LIGHTNING UK!** · August 21, 2008

So same disc in the same drive works fine in 1 pc but not in another?

It's an odd message ('No Reference Position Found') for the drive/driver to be reporting back to ImgBurn if that really is the case.

Are there any updates available for your motherboard - bios / ide controller drivers etc?

Which chipset does that motherboard use?

Is the PSU ok and able to supply the drive with enough power?

foxchief · August 22, 2008

I actually have all my mobo drivers updated via "Driver Magician"

The PSU is strong enough definitely, I don't have very many peripherals. I even tried disabling the service "ATAPI", because I read in a Nero Burning ROM forum that service was useless. That didn't work. I also tried changing the Transfer Mode from Ultra DMA 2 to PIO only.

I'll show you my specs, via Everest:

--------[ EVEREST Ultimate Edition ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Version EVEREST v4.20.1170

Benchmark Module 2.3.212.0

Homepage http://www.lavalys.com/

Report Type Report Wizard

Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail)

Date 2008-08-22

Time 11:40

--------[ Summary ]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Computer:

Computer Type ACPI Multiprocessor PC

Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional

OS Service Pack Service Pack 2

Internet Explorer 6.0.2900.2180 (IE 6.0 SP2)

DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)

Date / Time 2008-08-22 / 11:40

Motherboard:

CPU Type DualCore AMD Athlon 64 X2, 2000 MHz (10 x 200) 3800+

Motherboard Name ECS A770M-A (3 PCI, 2 PCI-E x1, 1 PCI-E x16, 4 DDR2 DIMM, Audio, Gigabit LAN)

Motherboard Chipset AMD RX790, AMD Hammer

System Memory 2048 MB (DDR2-667 DDR2 SDRAM)

BIOS Type AMI (12/17/07)

Communication Port Communications Port (COM1)

Display:

Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT (256 MB)

3D Accelerator nVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT

Monitor KDS 17 LCD - K717s/K715s/K-7/17s/K7b/K7s/K7c [NoDB] (WJ7I069008058)

Multimedia:

Audio Adapter Realtek ALC883 @ ATI SB600 - High Definition Audio Controller

Storage:

IDE Controller ATI IDE Controller

IDE Controller Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller

Storage Controller JMicron JMB36X Controller

Storage Controller MagicISO SCSI Host Controller

Disk Drive WDC WD1200BB-00GUA0 (111 GB, IDE)

Optical Drive LITE-ON DVDRW LH-16W1P (DVD+R9:8x, DVD-R9:8x, DVD+RW:16x/8x, DVD-RW:16x/6x, DVD-ROM:16x, CD:48x/24x/48x DVD+RW/DVD-RW)

Optical Drive MagicISO Virtual DVD-ROM0000

SMART Hard Disks Status OK

Partitions:

C: (NTFS) 114463 MB (22209 MB free)

Total Size 111.8 GB (21.7 GB free)

Input:

Keyboard HID Keyboard Device

Mouse HID-compliant mouse

Network:

Primary IP Address 192.168.1.120

Primary MAC Address 00-1E-90-6E-FB-7B

Network Adapter Realtek RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC (192.168.1.120)

Modem Smart Link 56K Voice Modem

Peripherals:

Printer Lexmark 1200 Series

Printer LexmarkFax

Printer Microsoft XPS Document Writer

USB1 Controller ATI SB600 - OCHI USB Controller

USB2 Controller ATI SB600 - EHCI USB 2.0 Controller

USB Device Generic USB Hub

USB Device Lexmark 1200 Series

USB Device USB Composite Device

USB Device USB Human Interface Device

USB Device USB Printing Support

DMI:

DMI BIOS Vendor American Megatrends Inc.

DMI BIOS Version 080014

DMI System Manufacturer ECS

DMI System Product A770M-A

DMI System Version 1.0

DMI Motherboard Manufacturer ECS

DMI Motherboard Product A770M-A

DMI Motherboard Version 1.0

DMI Chassis Manufacturer ECS

DMI Chassis Type Desktop Case

--------[ Overclock ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CPU Properties:

CPU Type DualCore AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+

CPU Alias Windsor-512

CPU Stepping BH-F2

Engineering Sample No

CPUID CPU Name AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+

CPUID Revision 00040FB2h

CPU Speed:

CPU Clock 2000.1 MHz (original: 2000 MHz)

CPU Multiplier 10.0x

CPU FSB 200.0 MHz (original: 200 MHz)

HyperTransport Clock 1000.1 MHz

Memory Bus 333.4 MHz

DRAM:FSB Ratio CPU/6

CPU Cache:

L1 Code Cache 64 KB per core (Parity)

L1 Data Cache 64 KB per core (ECC)

L2 Cache 512 KB per core (On-Die, ECC, Full-Speed)

Chipset Properties:

Motherboard Chipset AMD RX790, AMD Hammer

Memory Timings 5-5-5-15 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)

Command Rate (CR) 1T

SPD Memory Modules:

DIMM1: G Skill F2-5400PHU1-1GBNT 1 GB DDR2-667 DDR2 SDRAM (5-5-5-15 @ 333 MHz) (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz) (3-3-3-9 @ 200 MHz)

DIMM2: G Skill F2-5400PHU1-1GBNT 1 GB DDR2-667 DDR2 SDRAM (5-5-5-15 @ 333 MHz) (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz) (3-3-3-9 @ 200 MHz)

BIOS Properties:

System BIOS Date 12/17/07

Video BIOS Date 02/25/07

DMI BIOS Version 080014

Graphics Processor Properties:

Video Adapter EVGA e-GeForce 7600 GT

GPU Code Name G73GT (PCI Express 1.0 x16 10DE / 0391, Rev A1)

GPU Clock 562 MHz (original: 560 MHz)

Memory Clock 702 MHz (original: 700 MHz)

--------[ Motherboard ]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Motherboard Properties:

Motherboard ID 64-0100-001131-00101111-121707-ATHLON64$1AAAA000_A770M-A 12/17/2007

Motherboard Name ECS A770M-A

Front Side Bus Properties:

Bus Type AMD Hammer

Real Clock 200 MHz

Effective Clock 200 MHz

HyperTransport Clock 1000 MHz

Memory Bus Properties:

Bus Type Dual DDR2 SDRAM

Bus Width 128-bit

DRAM:FSB Ratio CPU/6

Real Clock 333 MHz (DDR)

Effective Clock 667 MHz

Bandwidth 10667 MB/s

Motherboard Physical Info:

CPU Sockets/Slots 1 AM2+

Expansion Slots 3 PCI, 2 PCI-E x1, 1 PCI-E x16

RAM Slots 4 DDR2 DIMM

Integrated Devices Audio, Gigabit LAN

Form Factor ATX

Motherboard Size 210 mm x 300 mm

Motherboard Chipset AMD770

Extra Features SATA-II

Motherboard Manufacturer:

Company Name Elitegroup Computer Systems

Product Information http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Products/...D=7&LanID=8

BIOS Download http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Downloads...D=6&LanID=8

--------[ Memory ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Physical Memory:

Total 2047 MB

Used 830 MB

Free 1216 MB

Utilization 41 %

Swap Space:

Total 3941 MB

Used 1071 MB

Free 2869 MB

Utilization 27 %

Virtual Memory:

Total 5988 MB

Used 1902 MB

Free 4085 MB

Utilization 32 %

Paging File:

Paging File C:\pagefile.sys

Current Size 2047 MB

Current / Peak Usage 369 MB / 442 MB

Utilization 18 %

Physical Address Extension (PAE):

Supported by Operating System Yes

Supported by CPU Yes

Active Yes

--------[ Chipset ]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ North Bridge: AMD RX790 ]

North Bridge Properties:

North Bridge AMD RX790

Revision 00

Package Type 720 Pin FC-BGA

Package Size 2.7 cm x 2.7 cm

Process Technology 65 nm

Core Voltage 1.1 V

PCI Express Controller:

PCI-E 2.0 x16 port #0 In Use @ x16 (EVGA e-GeForce 7600 GT Video Adapter)

PCI-E 2.0 x1 port #2 In Use @ x1 (Realtek RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Adapter)

PCI-E 2.0 x1 port #3 In Use @ x1 (JMicron JMB361 SATA-II AHCI Controller)

Chipset Manufacturer:

Company Name Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.

Product Information http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/Develo...252_873,00.html

Driver Download http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/Techni...71_2336,00.html

Driver Update http://driveragent.com?ref=59

[ North Bridge: AMD Hammer DDR2 IMC ]

North Bridge Properties:

North Bridge AMD Hammer DDR2 IMC

Supported Memory Types DDR2-400 SDRAM, DDR2-533 SDRAM, DDR2-667 SDRAM, DDR2-800 SDRAM

Revision 00

[ South Bridge: ATI SB600 ]

South Bridge Properties:

South Bridge ATI SB600

Revision 00

Package Type 549 Pin FC-BGA

Package Size 2.3 cm x 2.3 cm

--------[ Windows Storage ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ WDC WD1200BB-00GUA0 ]

Device Properties:

Driver Description WDC WD1200BB-00GUA0

Driver Date 7/1/2001

Driver Version 5.1.2535.0

Driver Provider Microsoft

INF File disk.inf

Device Manufacturer:

Company Name Western Digital Corporation

Product Information http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products

[ LITE-ON DVDRW LH-16W1P ]

Device Properties:

Driver Description LITE-ON DVDRW LH-16W1P

Driver Date 7/1/2001

Driver Version 5.1.2535.0

Driver Provider Microsoft

INF File cdrom.inf

Optical Drive Properties:

Manufacturer Lite-On

Device Type DVD+RW/DVD-RW

Interface ATAPI

Writing Speeds:

DVD+R9 Dual Layer 8x

DVD+R 16x

DVD+RW 8x

DVD-R9 Dual Layer 8x

DVD-R 16x

DVD-RW 6x

CD-R 48x

CD-RW 24x

Reading Speeds:

DVD-ROM 16x

CD-ROM 48x

Device Manufacturer:

Company Name Lite-On IT Corporation

Product Information http://us.liteonit.com/us/index.php?option...&Itemid=140

Firmware Download http://us.liteonit.com/us/index.php?option...&Itemid=153

[ MagicISO Virtual DVD-ROM0000 ]

Device Properties:

Driver Description MagicISO Virtual DVD-ROM0000

Driver Date 7/1/2001

Driver Version 5.1.2535.0

Driver Provider Microsoft

INF File cdrom.inf

[ ATI IDE Controller ]

Device Properties:

Driver Description ATI IDE Controller

Driver Date 1/22/2006

Driver Version 5.0.0.3

Driver Provider ATI Technologies Inc

INF File oem0.inf

Device Resources:

Port FF00-FF0F

[ Primary IDE Channel ]

Device Properties:

Driver Description Primary IDE Channel

Driver Date 7/1/2001

Driver Version 5.1.2600.2180

Driver Provider Microsoft

INF File mshdc.inf

[ Primary IDE Channel ]

Device Properties:

Driver Description Primary IDE Channel

Driver Date 7/1/2001

Driver Version 5.1.2600.2180

Driver Provider Microsoft

INF File mshdc.inf

Device Resources:

IRQ 14

Port 01F0-01F7

Port 03F6-03F6

[ Secondary IDE Channel ]

Device Properties:

Driver Description Secondary IDE Channel

Driver Date 7/1/2001

Driver Version 5.1.2600.2180

Driver Provider Microsoft

INF File mshdc.inf

[ Secondary IDE Channel ]

Device Properties:

Driver Description Secondary IDE Channel

Driver Date 7/1/2001

Driver Version 5.1.2600.2180

Driver Provider Microsoft

INF File mshdc.inf

Device Resources:

IRQ 15

Port 0170-0177

Port 0376-0376

[ Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller ]

Device Properties:

Driver Description Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller

Driver Date 7/1/2001

Driver Version 5.1.2600.2180

Driver Provider Microsoft

INF File mshdc.inf

Device Resources:

IRQ 22

Memory FBFFF800-FBFFFBFF

Port 6000-600F

Port 7000-7003

Port 8000-8007

Port 9000-9003

Port A000-A007

[ JMicron JMB36X Controller ]

Device Properties:

Driver Description JMicron JMB36X Controller

Driver Date 4/10/2007

Driver Version 1.17.17.0

Driver Provider JMicron Technology Corp.

INF File oem6.inf

Device Resources:

IRQ 19

Memory FEBFE000-FEBFFFFF

Port D400-D40F

Port D800-D803

Port E000-E007

Port E400-E403

Port E800-E807

Device Manufacturer:

Company Name JMicron Technology Corporation

Product Information http://www.jmicron.com/Products.html

Driver Download http://www.jmicron.com

Driver Update http://driveragent.com?ref=59

[ MagicISO SCSI Host Controller ]

Device Properties:

Driver Description MagicISO SCSI Host Controller

Driver Date 7/29/2008

Driver Version 2.7.105.0

Driver Provider MagicISO, Inc.

INF File oem32.inf

--------[ Logical Drives ]----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

C: Local Disk NTFS 114463 MB 92253 MB 22209 MB 19 % 5045-F709

D: Optical Drive

G: Optical Drive

--------[ Optical Drives ]----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ D:\ LITE-ON DVDRW LH-16W1P ]

Optical Drive Properties:

Device Description LITE-ON DVDRW LH-16W1P

Firmware Revision SL08

Firmware Date 6/21/2007

Buffer Size 2 MB

Manufacturer Lite-On

Device Type DVD+RW/DVD-RW

Interface ATAPI

Region Code 1

Remaining User Changes 4

Remaining Vendor Changes 4

Writing Speeds:

DVD+R9 Dual Layer 8x

DVD+R 16x

DVD+RW 8x

DVD-R9 Dual Layer 8x

DVD-R 16x

DVD-RW 6x

CD-R 48x

CD-RW 24x

Reading Speeds:

DVD-ROM 16x

CD-ROM 48x

Supported Disk Types:

BD-ROM Not Supported

BD-R Not Supported

BD-RE Not Supported

HD DVD-ROM Not Supported

HD DVD-R Not Supported

HD DVD-RW Not Supported

DVD-ROM Read

DVD+R9 Dual Layer Read + Write

DVD+R Read + Write

DVD+RW Read + Write

DVD-R9 Dual Layer Read + Write

DVD-R Read + Write

DVD-RW Read + Write

DVD-RAM Not Supported

CD-ROM Read

CD-R Read + Write

CD-RW Read + Write

**Cynthia** · August 22, 2008

Storage Controller JMicron JMB36X Controller

The DVD device is not attached to this controller? Usually creates weird results if it is.

**LIGHTNING UK!** · August 22, 2008

If it is, update to the .39 (WHQL) driver from here:

ftp://driver.jmicron.com.tw/jmb36x/Win2k_xp_Vista/

foxchief · August 23, 2008

Well I consider myself kind of smart with computers and "Lightning UK!" & "Cynthia" confused me about this talk about the Controller. I'm not real sure what that is really, honest. But um anyway I did download Lightning UK!'s FTP .39 JMicron driver... and that didn't help this problem. I noticed it did add software for RAID systems on the Start Menu, but I don't have a Redundant Array Setup...

I was doing some thinking, pulled up some information about the Hard Drive and DVD drive, more specifically the Transfer Modes... I'm thinking maybe they have to be on the same Transfer Mode...

So here is what modes they support:

WD1200BB hard drive supported transfer mode:

PIO Mode 4

DMA Mode 2

Ultra DMA Mode 4

LH-16W1P supports these transfer modes:

100MB/s (Mode 5 Ultra ATA)

66.6MB/s (Mode 4 Ultra ATA)

33.3 MB/s (Mode 2 Ultra ATA)

16.6 MB/s (Mode 4 PIO)

16.6 MB/s (Mode 2 multi-word DMA)

Now knowing what transfer modes these devices support, and they run on the same bus....

My theory is the transfer rates should be on the same level. Maybe I should set the BIOS configuration for both devices' Transfer Modes to DMA Mode 2 since that is the only one they are compatible?

Is this way of thinking incorrect? I don't know.

In conclusion: Somewhere down the line, there's some kind of interrupt going on. Where my drive works properly on a seperate bus, not on the same as the hard drive running Windows. I tried turning the ATAPI service both started and disabled, neither makes a difference. Tried changing Transfer Modes, no difference.

But the current setup I have where the HD and the DVD drive is on the same IDE bus, the drive will read all CD-ROMs fine, music cds, but not any burned discs whether it's movie, data, music... And also no DVD's. It normally will read all discs.

Any outside ideas? I'm starting to think that it's impossible for HD running Windows & my specific DVD drive is impossible to run properly on the same bus.

I heard in forums that my HD jumper should be set to Master, and DVD set to Slave. I have tested both switching master and slave, and it doesn't matter. They work the same as long as they are set different than the other, and also: the location of the plug you insert doesn't make a difference. It's all communicable. So my HD set to Save or Master would work, as long as the other device on the IDE bus was set to the opposite. It doesn't matter which direction the IDE cable is attached, the way my case is setup with the HD real low, my IDE is technically backwards, with MASTER (on cable) is connected to the motherboard, SLAVE is connected to my DVD and MOBO is connected to my HD... this doesn't matter, just to throw that out there in case you didn't know. I've done it many times before, it's just a transversal wire that connects devices, and contains no mechanical parts inside if you take on apart!

Edited August 23, 2008 by foxchief

chancer · August 23, 2008

Well i don't get this - I was using my burner fine yesterday - just gone to burn another file this am with same disc and I am now getting this message.

Now nothing has changed since yesterday - the pc has not be rebooted and no new/different software has been installed.

the only thing i noticed is, using the 'Smart Burn' app that is for liteon burners - it now sees my d/l disc as cd's with a max burn rate of 48????

I get the same message on Img Burn whether it be a dvd or d/l dvd

this is what the drive thinks it has in it -

Drive Type = DVD Super AllWrite

Disc Type = UNKNOWN

Material = Cyanine

Lead In = 00:00:00

Lead Out = 00:00:00

Nominal Capacity = -0.29MB

Manufacturer Maybe = (null)

SMART-BURN Speed Limit = 48X (Write)

this disc's has burnt fine before - help pls.

chancer · August 23, 2008

K... all fixed for now - although have only burnt 1 at moment - but it is burning

I added in a ide burner and moved the sata burner to another port - the ide worked for dvd 1st time - so eliminated software/os issues.

uninstalled burner causing issues - moved to another sata port and it is now working again.

is the drive on the way out?? about 3 weeks agao it started auto closing after you open it, is this a sign that drives are their on way out?

foxchief · August 24, 2008

Anybody have a reply to post 11?

**mmalves** · August 24, 2008

Both should be playing nice with each other since both support UltraDMA Mode 4.

By the way, you still haven't posted the info I asked on post #4

foxchief · August 24, 2008

trying to open up the raid controller software that was added to the start menu with the new driver update...

foxchief · August 24, 2008

; //****************************************\\

; ImgBurn Version 2.4.2.0 - Log

; Saturday, 23 August 2008, 23:57:02

; \\****************************************//

;

I 23:56:17 ImgBurn Version 2.4.2.0 started!

I 23:56:17 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 3)

I 23:56:17 Total Physical Memory: 2,096,364 KB - Available: 1,287,940 KB

I 23:56:17 Initialising SPTI...

I 23:56:17 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 23:56:17 Found 1 DVD-ROM and 1 DVD

foxchief · August 24, 2008

Like i said, the drive isn't recognizing any DVD movies, blank DVDs, or previously burned DVDs. It does not recognize burned audio discs but does read manufactured CDs and CD-ROMs.

Edited August 24, 2008 by foxchief

**blutach** · August 24, 2008

Sounds like the drive is dying if it can't even read a commercial DVD. They "go" first on DVDs and then CDs. You could try cleaning it.

Regards

foxchief · August 24, 2008

Just got finished testing difference discs with the drive in another machine just now, and yeah same problem so something is mechanically wrong with this hardware somewhere down the line... Should I pitch it or.... any servicable parts worth it?

What are some good DVDRW drives nowadays??

**blutach** · August 24, 2008

Pitch. No serviceable parts. I got a Samsung 203B earlier this year and it is fantastic.

Regards

foxchief · August 24, 2008

damn that sucks, it was manufactured in 2006, got it last year at the store so it's like a year old, a little over. what a piece of sh*t

foxchief · August 24, 2008

As a last resort, I took it apart and cleaned the lens and still has same issue. Are all Liteon products junk or did I just happen to get a weakly manufactured product? I didn't damage it as far as I know.

**Cynthia** · August 24, 2008

I have three Lite-On's and I like them.

Guzeppi · August 24, 2008

I have three Lite-On's and I like them.

Not to mention the tens (hundreds?) of thousands Sony DVD recorders which are re-badged Lite-ons :thumbup:

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