MrWizard Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Ahh, deepburner doesn't actually finalise the disc at all, it leaves it open so you can add more to it. TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S203B SB04 (SATA)Current Profile: DVD+R Disc Information: Status: Incomplete Erasable: No Sessions: 2 Sectors: 1,920,720 Size: 3,933,634,560 bytes Time: 426:51:45 (MM:SS:FF) The drives only mess up when you finalise the disc. Hummm, Thanks LUK and Cynthia. That is something I didn't try (Turn off the Finalize Option) I'm going to try that and I'll post back and let you know. Thanks Again, thought I was at a dead end, now at least I have Hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIGHTNING UK! Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 No, you're still at a dead end because you can't stop ImgBurn from finalising discs Turn off the finalise disc auto retries and it should be ok in your player though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWizard Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 No, you're still at a dead end because you can't stop ImgBurn from finalising discs Turn off the finalise disc auto retries and it should be ok in your player though. Found out you were right, of course you know ;-) but we'll call it a smoke & mirrors dead end because it works! Took the check out of DVD +R Finalise Disc (Minimal Radius) (*) and Finalise Disc - Auto Retry under the Write Tab in settings, burned a couple images I couldn't before and although Image Burn tried to finalize and gave me the below errors, the disc still plays on both the PC and the Player, excellent, even though I have to click through the error and no to the retry the image, it's still better than using DeepBurner, bit of an annoyance but the other features of Image Burn outweigh the annoyance. Still would like to know what changed, used to be able to burn without problems; probably one of those OS security updates or something. When I get time I'll investigate, if I find it I'll post it. Thanks again! I 19:56:44 Finalising Disc... W 19:56:58 Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - (99%, 0/3) - Program Memory Area Update Failure W 19:56:58 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Program Memory Area Update Failure W 19:57:06 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Program Memory Area Update Failure (Who Cares it Plays) E 19:57:06 Failed to Write Image! (Not really, smoke and mirror message) I 19:57:06 Exporting Graph Data... I 19:57:06 Export Successfully Completed! E 19:57:06 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:05:22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Still would like to know what changed, used to be able to burn without problems; probably one of those OS security updates or something. When I get time I'll investigate, if I find it I'll post it. You can change everything in your computer and in the rest of the world, but if you encounter an image that have x sectors in size, it will never burn without errors with a Lite-On. x sectors = that amount of sectors that Lite-Ons don't like. As an experiment I took the amount of sectors (1,920,720) that was posted in post #24 and created a dummy image. Guess what - it failed. I 04:18:04 ImgBurn Version 2.4.2.3 Beta started!I 04:18:04 Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate Edition (6.0, Build 6001 : Service Pack 1) I 04:18:04 Total Physical Memory: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWizard Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Still would like to know what changed, used to be able to burn without problems; probably one of those OS security updates or something. When I get time I'll investigate, if I find it I'll post it. You can change everything in your computer and in the rest of the world, but if you encounter an image that have x sectors in size, it will never burn without errors with a Lite-On. x sectors = that amount of sectors that Lite-Ons don't like. As an experiment I took the amount of sectors (1,920,720) that was posted in post #20 and created a dummy image. Guess what - it failed. I 04:18:04 ImgBurn Version 2.4.2.3 Beta started!I 04:18:04 Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate Edition (6.0, Build 6001 : Service Pack 1) I 04:18:04 Total Physical Memory: 2 095 484 KB - Available: 1 391 136 KB I 04:18:04 Initialising SPTI... I 04:18:04 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 04:18:06 Found 4 DVD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 I came to the same conclusion. Even if the burn fails and I do a retry and it's then reported ok, it can be played in my player. But it's still very annoying that Lite-Ons reports a failure message and if you burn the same failure image in an Optiarc burner, that burner doesn't report such an error message. I just don't like to get error messages from burning discs that I want to keep and know that they burned without any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIGHTNING UK! Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Ok Cynthia, I trust what you are saying is so, however, I pose this question, If I burn with x sector size, get the error messages but had retry turned off on finalise disc setting then put the "reported" failed disc in my player and watch the whole movie to the end without incident, What's the difference ? (Smoke & Mirror Error message) If I tell you the price of gas is going to drop to a dollar a gallon but it never does, Does it matter that I told you ? <_> Are you trying to say that ImgBurn shouldn't be relaying the error that the drive has returned? Obviously that's a bit of a crappy idea and won't ever happen! If the drive reports that there has been a problem then I have (ImgBurn has) a duty to the user to actually report it. You're lucky that the disc can still be played even though the drive has said there's a problem at the end with finalising it. Not all drives / errors there would still give you a working disc. btw, I'm sure that if you click the box to the right of the finalise disc auto retry one then ImgBurn will ignore the failure and still go on to verify the disc. (i.e. you won't have to click the error box) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontasciime Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Without me doing any research comparison anything similar liteon and samsung recent burners share apart from SATA interface , MTK based or ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWizard Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Ok Cynthia, I trust what you are saying is so, however, I pose this question, If I burn with x sector size, get the error messages but had retry turned off on finalise disc setting then put the "reported" failed disc in my player and watch the whole movie to the end without incident, What's the difference ? (Smoke & Mirror Error message) If I tell you the price of gas is going to drop to a dollar a gallon but it never does, Does it matter that I told you ? <_< Are you trying to say that ImgBurn shouldn't be relaying the error that the drive has returned? Obviously that's a bit of a crappy idea and won't ever happen! If the drive reports that there has been a problem then I have (ImgBurn has) a duty to the user to actually report it. You're lucky that the disc can still be played even though the drive has said there's a problem at the end with finalising it. Not all drives / errors there would still give you a working disc. btw, I'm sure that if you click the box to the right of the finalise disc auto retry one then ImgBurn will ignore the failure and still go on to verify the disc. (i.e. you won't have to click the error box) No, I wouldn't suggest that the error shouldn't be reported and you are correct, if I click the box next to finalise disc auto retry Imgburn does go on to verify but then the disc bombs out in the player. A middle of the road solution might be a 3 second delay auto continue on the error message with an auto NO response after that for the "do you want to try to burn this disc again" message under those circumstances ? Then you could put an option box in settings to turn those auto continue features on or off leaving it to the user's preference. Food for thought ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIGHTNING UK! Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 So you're saying that with 'Finalise Disc - Auto Retry' unchecked and 'Ignore Finalise Disc Errors' checked, the resulting disc still doesn't work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Without me doing any research comparison anything similar liteon and samsung recent burners share apart from SATA interface , MTK based or ? The poster in post #17 had a Using Samsung SH-S202N with SB02 firmware My Samsung S223F doesn't crap out on a 'x sector size image that Lite-Ons don't like. Might be a problem with just some Samsungs. But with Lite-Ons, it seems to happen on all models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontasciime Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 sure my 223f did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWizard Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 So you're saying that with 'Finalise Disc - Auto Retry' unchecked and 'Ignore Finalise Disc Errors' checked, the resulting disc still doesn't work? No, on the contrary, with those settings set that way, the disc does work properly but if I'm burning 12 discs in a que, I have to sit there and click the error message to continue then click No to the "Do you want to try burning this disc again" message since Image Burn thinks the burn was a failure because the recorder reported it when in fact it really didn't fail, it works fine. So perhaps an auto continue on the error message and timed auto OK on the repeat burn message, controlled by a setting in preferences would be something worth thinking about ? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIGHTNING UK! Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 I didn't think it classed it as a failure with the options set like that... it shouldn't be asking you to acknowledge anything. I'll look into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWizard Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I didn't think it classed it as a failure with the options set like that... it shouldn't be asking you to acknowledge anything. I'll look into it. Thanks for your time LUK, if there is anything I can provide for you just let me know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWizard Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I didn't think it classed it as a failure with the options set like that... it shouldn't be asking you to acknowledge anything. I'll look into it. Hey LUK, I may have come onto something that might help, in my log files when the error occurs I get a line that says W 19:56:58 Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - (99%, 0/3) - Program Memory Area Update Failure right after the Finalising Disc message displays. I noticed under settings, in the I/O tab there is an option to turn off Immediate I/O, so I checked it and burned one of the images that was exhibiting the issue, still got the finalise disc error message which I had to click continue to but the log file didn't show that line. Instead it showed another W 19:57:06 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Program Memory Area Update Failure So with the "turn off Immediate I/O" optioned checked in options, my log read as follows: I 20:07:08 Finalising Disc... W 20:07:24 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Program Memory Area Update Failure <- with the "turn off Immediate I/O" unchecked this line read the same as above W 20:08:25 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Program Memory Area Update Failure E 20:08:25 Failed to Write Image! Not sure if this will help but thought I'd note it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 sure my 223f did Tried with the size posted in post #17 that failed on the Samsung SH-S202N and no failure with my SH-S223F. I 05:09:26 ImgBurn Version 2.4.2.3 Beta started!I 05:09:26 Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate Edition (6.0, Build 6001 : Service Pack 1) I 05:09:26 Total Physical Memory: 2 095 484 KB - Available: 1 274 456 KB I 05:09:26 Initialising SPTI... I 05:09:26 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 05:09:26 Found 4 DVD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIGHTNING UK! Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 MrWizard, It makes sense that if you disable 'Immediate I/O' that it wouldn't then display an error caputured by the function that waits for 'Immediate I/O' to complete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWizard Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 MrWizard, It makes sense that if you disable 'Immediate I/O' that it wouldn't then display an error caputured by the function that waits for 'Immediate I/O' to complete Understood LUK, I just didn't know if the second W 20:07:24 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Program Memory Area Update Failure in it's place had any significance or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiPPn Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I'm using an sh-s203n with patched firmware sb02, however I have rolled back to unpatched sb00 and i still get the same error. I'm burning on high quality taiyo yuden dvd+r and it only happens on certain images. W 02:40:32 Potential 'WaitImmediateIO' Deferred Error - (99%, 0/3) - Program Memory Area Update Failure W 02:40:32 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Program Memory Area Update Failure W 02:40:32 Retrying (1 of 3)... I hope it's an error in imgburn that can be corrected and not a hardware issue as I really like these Samsung burners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontasciime Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I hope it's an error in imgburn that can be corrected and not a hardware issue as I really like these Samsung burners You are going to dislike your Samsung then as it is not an error with ImgBurn. Nero does it as well for people. Use DVD-R as I never saw it happen on any of my Samsung writers with DVD-R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kypec Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 I hope it's an error in imgburn that can be corrected and not a hardware issue as I really like these Samsung burners You are going to dislike your Samsung then as it is not an error with ImgBurn. Nero does it as well for people. Use DVD-R as I never saw it happen on any of my Samsung writers with DVD-R After reading many posts about this issue I've come to the same conclusion as dontasciime suggests. Until recently I had no problems burning DVD+R (Verbatim) on Samsung ODD, at home I use SH-S182M and at work SH-S203P. Whenever I attempted to burn on DVD+R (no matter whether single files or prepared ISO image) the Finalization of disc failed on me I 08:55:11 ImgBurn Version 2.4.2.0 started!I 08:55:11 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)I 08:55:11 Total Physical Memory: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWizard Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Hey LUK, Just an FYI for you in case no one has told you but your most recent update appears to have resolved the "Program Memory Area Update Failure" error on the Lite On burners. I've burned several new disc and even went back and burned some I knew gave that error and haven't received it since the update. Thanks LUK! MrWizard sure my 223f did Tried with the size posted in post #17 that failed on the Samsung SH-S202N and no failure with my SH-S223F. I 05:09:26 ImgBurn Version 2.4.2.3 Beta started!I 05:09:26 Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate Edition (6.0, Build 6001 : Service Pack 1) I 05:09:26 Total Physical Memory: 2 095 484 KB - Available: 1 274 456 KB I 05:09:26 Initialising SPTI... I 05:09:26 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 05:09:26 Found 4 DVD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynthia Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Just an FYI for you in case no one has told you but your most recent update appears to have resolved the "Program Memory Area Update Failure" error on the Lite On burners. I've burned several new disc and even went back and burned some I knew gave that error and haven't received it since the update. I still get it. I 01:05:37 ImgBurn Version 2.4.4.0 started!I 01:05:37 Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate Edition (6.0, Build 6001 : Service Pack 1) I 01:05:37 Total Physical Memory: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomicrabbit Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 (edited) just started getting this error I'm burning a 3.67gb Video DVD, and I've never had an issue until today, with these specific dvd files. What's interesting is that this error occurs whenever I burn a DVD5 under 4GiB. Anything I burn close to the 4.36GiB limit this error never occurs. I've noticed this in other people's reports as well. This seems to be the case for me because I've been using the same DVD burner (Samsung SH-S203B) and same DVD media (Verbatim DVD+R) and the same software (ImgBurn v2.5.0.0) successfully for several different burns and I've made 4 coasters trying this one dvd :( I 01:00:08 ImgBurn Version 2.5.0.0 started!I 01:00:08 Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Edition (6.1, Build 7100) I 01:00:08 Total Physical Memory: 982,392 KB - Available: 242,564 KB I 01:00:08 Initialising SPTI... I 01:00:08 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 01:00:09 Found 1 DVD Edited August 7, 2009 by atomicrabbit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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