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Seems lotsa errors by burning BD-R DL. What do they mean ?


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#21 dbminter

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 03:47 AM

Even if you somehow got bad copies, that won't cause discs to fail Verifies or prevent them from playing in a standalone player.  They play fine on your PC but not your player, so it's the player.  The failures you were getting at the Verifies were at the start of the 2nd layer so those were either problems with the burner or the media or a combination of both.

 

 

The player probably has no problem with BD-R SL media.  But doesn't like BD-R DL media.  Or at least the manufacturer type of the BD-R DL you're using.  So, you can shrink DL BD movies to SL discs, then by all means, you know that works.

 

 

Now, one thing to possibly take into account, are you burning the same image file over and over again in your tests?  There could be a 1 in 100 chance that the image created is bad.  You could try recreating a new image and see if that helps.

 

 

About the only thing you can do is keep trying media to see if something is tolerated by your player, but most likely you won't find something that works as I still say it's your player.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 01:35 PM

Good info and hint. Thanks for that also.

I've just burned another movie. It fails on BOTH = TV and also on PC !!! on second layer.

It just crashes and hangs.

 

Seems there's definitly something wrong with these disks.

The unburned Mkv file itself plays fine on PC without any hickup. It's definitly the disks itself.
Seems a bad batch or bad quality. Or maybe they are just to old ? (first generation) 2013 ? you have said.

 

I don't care anymore about the last 2 disks. I'm gonna burn them both, in the hope to catch at least 1 more success.

 

Tuesday or wednesday, I will test Sony.


Edited by Jack5097, 12 November 2017 - 01:36 PM.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 05:53 PM

End of story of this batch. One disk did play good on PC only.

 

The other disk = can't play this disk !!! Pls remove dust !

 

What a load of garbage disks !! The failure rate is 97% !!!

 

Even, so many don't also play on my PC. I'm sick of these Japanese Garbage >:p >:p

This is NOT VERBATIM, as I know it with my DB-R SL disks.
The failure rate is = disgusting !!!!



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 06:06 PM

Try the DataLifePlus BD-R DL I forwarded before.  DataLifePlus is the good stuff that Verbatim makes.  If those fail, then you know either your standalone player doesn't like BD-R DL or just that brand of manufacturer.

 

 

As I said, I've never used BD-R DL, so I don't know if the Pioneer likes those or not.  It does like the BD-RE DL made by Verbatim/TDK.  (TDK sometimes makes Verbatim's BD-RE DL.  TDK is also a generally good manufacturer, but even they will sometimes farm out to CMC.)  However, you should be able to tell if it's those Japanese media or not.  If the Pioneer still doesn't play the DataLifePlus BD-R DL media on your PC, then you'll have to try something else beyond Verbatim's.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 06:26 PM

and we have also those blue ones, I have mentioned before. These seems also more REAL verbatim to me.
However, seems also a lot of Amazon complaints about the second layer.
here's a picture:

 

 

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61%2B8iyECHKL._SL1023_.jpg

 

The ones you mean I believe are these:

 

 

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61q2-MxF4kL._SL1084_.jpg

 


Edited by Jack5097, 12 November 2017 - 06:31 PM.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 06:37 PM

I also wanna thank you, for your great help / superb info / & patience with me :victory:

Didn't know that burning 4K HDR movies, was so difficult ......... Due most players still have problems reading DL.

 

Like you said :
1) we need to find the good burner for it
2) we need to find the brand for it (for the UBD-K8500)

 

Samsung his quality is going down .... That's for sure. More and more people complain.

And theire service is garbage lately also.
They say: The problem is you're TV. What the hell ?? No, no, the problem is Samsung :whack: :whack:



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 06:57 PM

There are none so blind as those who will not see, and Samsung, it appears, won't see.  Sort of like Freemake.  I point out all kinds of repeatable bugs in their software, and they just use excuses like it's iTunes's fault to avoid having to do any research into their own software.

 

 

I've never even seen a 4k movie, so I can't say anything on that subject.

 

 

I think those are the DataLifePlus Verbatim BD-R DL that showed up on Amazon.com.  I've never used any, so I can't say.  I can only attest to the quality of DataLifePlus media from Verbatim.  Except for their BD-R SL which aren't labeled as DataLifePlus but still appear to be quality media, I always look for DataLifePlus on the package of Verbatim DVD-R, CD-R, and DVD+R DL.  Otherwise, you will get cheap quality CMC media.

 

 

As for the other BD-R DL, couldn't say.  Never used one.  Plus, you can't really tell based on the outside package.  You need the interior branded label or the Disc ID returned by ImgBurn.



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 07:13 PM

+ the fact .... Samsung like this brand, Sony like that brand, ....
I guess it comes all down, to TRIAL and ERROR.

 

I've been lucky again. I've buyed 1 BLUE VERBATIM, on cheap price to test.

Gesamtbetrag inkl. Versand: 14,98 EUR (inclusive shipment) on ebay.

 

Here's a picture:

 

 

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61%2B8iyECHKL._SL1023_.jpg

 

This I like very much. That you sometimes can buy 1 disk to test, instead of buying a huge SPINDLE.

 

I'm at WAR with my UBD-K8500 !!! hehehe ...

I throw every disk at it. If he keeps beeing annoying, Maybe in the futur, I will buy a second different 4K Player.
When the prices are going down a littlebit. Don't have the money now for something like 500-800 euro's.


Edited by Jack5097, 12 November 2017 - 07:18 PM.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 08:33 PM

As I said, it's hard to tell anything based on the exterior packaging.

 

 

Sometimes the single media test can be the better way to go and sometimes it's more cost effective to get a package of a few, depending on how much the cost per disc is.  For instance, if you need 50 of a particular media, it's often cheaper to buy 2 25 cake stacks versus 1 50 stack.  However, sometimes it's better to just roll the dice.  For instance, I found an Amazon.com seller selling so called DataLifePlus DVD+RW for $18 each.  However, the label on the package said nothing about DataLifePlus.  Amazon.com sells what it calls DataLifePlus DVD+RW for the same price for 10 of them.  However, Amazon.com's listed item picture also doesn't say DataLifePlus on the package.  So, it's probably better to roll the dice on the 10 of them and see.



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Posted 16 November 2017 - 09:21 PM

My friend, I've thrown 3 other BD-DL 50GB at it.

 

Samsung UBD-K8500, seems to have a BAD/SAD POOR quality LAZER !!!

 

Second: When buying original 4K HDR movies (BLACK BLURAY)

It seems also my = UBD-K8500 can't play = TRUE-HD or DTS-HD SOUND !!!

So, I get NO SOUND at all !!!!

 

This 4K player = just GARBAGE !!!!

He has also problems with playing other FORMATS (Video & Sound files)

I will NEVER, NEVER buy something from = SAMSUNG again !!!!

 

Samsung 4K player, seems to FORCE-US to buy ORIGINAL 4K movies.
Instead of COPY MKV / MP4 files. Samsung is NOT = CUSTOMAR FRIENDLY !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

SAMSUNG = SHAME !!!!!!

Buying an ORIGINAL 4K movie. I get picture, but NO SOUND !!!

Samsung doesn't Support = TRUE-HD or DTS-HD !!!!

 

What a WASTE of 350 euro's !!!!!!!!!! :fever: :fever:  :jumpon: :shout:


Edited by Jack5097, 16 November 2017 - 09:23 PM.


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Posted 16 November 2017 - 09:33 PM

The only solution for 4K movies, I can do now .....

 

Is to spit the MKV file (35GB) into 2 pieces.

 

And burn it over 2 Single-Player disks of 25GB each.

 

All my 4K movies are now = PART 1 / PART 2

I SPLIT the 4K movie / into / 2 PIECES !!!!

HALFWAY ...........

 

Ok, I don't mind changing disks / after 50 minutes or 1 hour of playtime.

Every 50 minutes, I can check TOILET pee/pee time. hahahhaha

 

Jack



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Posted 16 November 2017 - 09:40 PM

2 disks of Verbatim = SINGLE LAYER 25GB

 

cost me:  0.80 euro each disk =

 

= 1.6 euros total for 2 disks.

 

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I split a movie into HALF !!!!!!!

And cost me 1.6 euro TOTAL. For 2 empty disks of 25GB.

For this 4K HDR BT2020 movie.

 

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SPLITTING = is the way to go !!!!!!!!!

For 4K movies

Without loosing QUALITY !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Jack



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Posted 16 November 2017 - 11:08 PM

My friend, I've thrown 3 other BD-DL 50GB at it.

 

Samsung UBD-K8500, seems to have a BAD/SAD POOR quality LAZER !!!

 

Second: When buying original 4K HDR movies (BLACK BLURAY)

It seems also my = UBD-K8500 can't play = TRUE-HD or DTS-HD SOUND !!!

So, I get NO SOUND at all !!!!

 

This 4K player = just GARBAGE !!!!

He has also problems with playing other FORMATS (Video & Sound files)

I will NEVER, NEVER buy something from = SAMSUNG again !!!!

 

Samsung 4K player, seems to FORCE-US to buy ORIGINAL 4K movies.
Instead of COPY MKV / MP4 files. Samsung is NOT = CUSTOMAR FRIENDLY !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

SAMSUNG = SHAME !!!!!!

Buying an ORIGINAL 4K movie. I get picture, but NO SOUND !!!

Samsung doesn't Support = TRUE-HD or DTS-HD !!!!

 

What a WASTE of 350 euro's !!!!!!!!!! :fever: :fever:  :jumpon: :shout:

 

 

After doing all the various things you did and what I suggested, I was leaning more towards the Samsung player as being at fault, as I said.  You replaced your burner with a Pioneer and that solved your Verify problems.  However, you were still getting playback errors on the Samsung but not on the PC.  The PC was burning, Verifying, and playing/reading fine.  So, the most likely culprit was the Samsung player.



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Posted 17 November 2017 - 06:00 AM

I'd be amazed if it can't decode the audio formats you've mentioned. The specs for that model specifically say it can.

I assume you've checked it's running the latest firmware / software?
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