verify funcition not works with directory

[totya]

Hi all..

 

One folder name length is 68 character, target is dvd disc, write mode iso9660+joilet (default settings)

Burn OK, Verify OK, but manual compare with total commander result is BAD.

 

Why? Joilet default mode only 64 character supported. Directory name on the dvd is cropped.

This is normal, but the verify funtcion not cheking this? I think the verify only files, not directiories.

Recommended repair this funcition...

 

ps.:Sorry my poor english

[LIGHTNING UK!]

Why would you class it as a verification failure?!

 

The spec only allows for 64 characters so that's what it builds the ISO using.

 

Verify is to compare what's supposed to have been written against the actual data on the cd/dvd. It's not to compare it to the original file names on the hdd as they're often expected to change - especially if say you use just ISO9660 where you're limited to 8.3 style of naming.

[totya]

Why would you class it as a verification failure?!

 

The spec only allows for 64 characters so that's what it builds the ISO using.

 

Verify is to compare what's supposed to have been written against the actual data on the cd/dvd. It's not to compare it to the original file names on the hdd as they're often expected to change - especially if say you use just ISO9660 where you're limited to 8.3 style of naming.

Hi!

 

Possible file system with IMGBurn :

 

1 ISO9660

2 ISO9660+Joilet

3 ISO9660+Joilet+UDF

4 ISO9660+UDF

5 UDF

 

The default is second. OK, I'm use this. Joilet supported 64 characters (Joilet Level 1)

 

If I burn files and directories to CD/DVD, I want, copied be equal with original. I think every men want this.

 

Problem 1 : before write processing started, ImgBurn don't cheking directory character length -> result is cropped length directories (see may last message, directory cropped 68->64 character...last few character is missing). Result disc is bad. Unusable. Wrong.

 

Problem2 : verify process don't check this problem (!). Result is bad, but the verify process is say : OK! I think, the hdd data equally with writed disc data (!)...but this is bad information.

 

ps.: i know, joilet level 2 know more characters, but the problem is unusable verify processing, which not return with correct information (..and joilet level 1 is default settings).

 

Short : directory name and file name checking is important!

 

Thank you.

[LIGHTNING UK!]

Truncating the file names is not (and should not) in any way, shape or form be considered an error. It's just part of what building an ISO is all about.

 

It's unfortunate that whatever you're burning relies on long file names that break the spec for normal CD/DVD burning using ISO9660 and Joliet filesystems but that really isn't ImgBurn's problem and again, it's NOT something that verifying should/would pick up on.

 

If you want to be notified of names being truncated etc, go into the settings and on the 'Build' tab, find the 'Logging' box and check the 'Non Compliant Folder / File Names' box.

[totya]

Truncating the file names is not (and should not) in any way, shape or form be considered an error. It's just part of what building an ISO is all about.

 

It's unfortunate that whatever you're burning relies on long file names that break the spec for normal CD/DVD burning using ISO9660 and Joliet filesystems but that really isn't ImgBurn's problem and again, it's NOT something that verifying should/would pick up on.

 

If you want to be notified of names being truncated etc, go into the settings and on the 'Build' tab, find the 'Logging' box and check the 'Non Compliant Folder / File Names' box.

 

Thank you, (I found this checkbox) but I think I know, this is big problem with ImgBurn.

Result writed discs possible unusable. Bad. Etc.

 

Suggest :

 

1. File name checking correctly before burn

2. Directory name checking correctly before burn

 

if settings / builds / logging doing this (solved this), then why default unchecked?

You want many bad writed discs? Or why?

 

3. File name checking correctly after burn

4. Directory name checking correctly after burn

 

Correct checking = file byte compare + file and directory name. This is sure.

 

5. Joilet Level 1 is default, suggested Level2 (x).

 

Thank you.

[dontasciime]

Or simply rename everything to be less than 64 chars in length.

[spinningwheel]

big problem with ImgBurn

 

No.......I disagree..........This may be a big problem for you because of your need to use long file names, but I do not see it as a problem for ImgBurn or the 10's of thousands of other users.....

[totya]

big problem with ImgBurn

 

No.......I disagree..........This may be a big problem for you because of your need to use long file names, but I do not see it as a problem for ImgBurn or the 10's of thousands of other users.....

 

This is problem, sorry. I'm not beginner, and i'm programming too... I'm not stupid user.

 

Your answer is not help of many users.

[dontasciime]

Me too

 

10 PRINT "HELLO"

20 GOTO 10

[LIGHTNING UK!]

I think you're confusing ImgBurn with a 'Backup' tool.

 

Buiding an ISO from some files doesn't mean those files will keep the exact same name.

 

Each file system has its limitations and those should be realised before ever burning anything.

 

If you decide to build an ISO using only the ISO9660 filesystem, you should know that all the file names will be converted to 8.3 format. That's just how it works and all programs are the same.

 

It's not the job of the verify function to compare filenames against those on the hdd. It compares what was written with what should have been written, data wise, nothing more. The program expects/knows (and the user SHOULD expect/know) they will be different so why show it as a failure?

 

Logging was disabled by default because nobody sticks to 8.3 format for names on their hdd and nobody wants 20,000 log entries when they build a disc as the program converts all the filenames to 8.3 format.

 

As I said before, it's not my fault that whatever you're trying to create an image from breaks Joliet specs for filename lengths. If it was on a disc in the first place, that was naughty of whoever made it. Now you've seen first hand what happens, learn from it.

 

For people that just want to stick some random files on a disc, a slight truncation of names is no big deal - and again, people who've ever burnt discs before with long file names will have probably already seen that they get truncated and know it's going to happen before it actually happens.

 

I've improved the 'non compliant folder/file names' logging option to let you specify which file systems to show the warnings for.

So it's now enabled by default, only showing warnings from the Joliet and UDF file systems.

[spinningwheel]

Me too

 

10 PRINT "HELLO"

20 GOTO 10

 

 

[lfcrule1972]

big problem with ImgBurn

 

No.......I disagree..........This may be a big problem for you because of your need to use long file names, but I do not see it as a problem for ImgBurn or the 10's of thousands of other users.....

 

This is problem, sorry. I'm not beginner, and i'm programming too... I'm not stupid user.

 

Your answer is not help of many users.

I disagree, this "problem" is only really one for you, and spinners answer is more helpful than your insistence on calling it an ImgBurn problem

[totya]

Me too

 

10 PRINT "HELLO"

20 GOTO 10

 

Sorry, my projects code source length is minimum few thousand lines.

 

Your is beginner I see.

[totya]

Me too

 

10 PRINT "HELLO"

20 GOTO 10

 

 

 

Very important message, congrats.

[totya]

Thank you - for your answer.

 

Your message is OnTopic, thank you (few last user message is not...)

 

I think you're confusing ImgBurn with a 'Backup' tool.

This is very good and simple application, I like it, and use this. Backup tool? Yes, too Quick, stable and free.

If you decide to build an ISO using only the ISO9660 filesystem, you should know that all the file names will be converted to 8.3 format. That's just how it works and all programs are the same....Logging was disabled by default because nobody sticks to 8.3 format for names on their hdd and nobody wants 20,000 log entries when they build a disc as the program converts all the filenames to 8.3 format.

Possible, but not too frequent usage this. Who use really iso9660 filesystem? Minimum joilet (iso9660&joilet), or UDF.

I think, who want use really iso9660, this user know, 8.3 character is limit...

"Simple" user uses default settings->joilet.

Possible, my request (error present...) is not clear, my request pertain to is only joilet filesystem (sorry).

 

"20,000 log entries" this is true, but possible "counter"... But this is not log format, is static format on application form (label).

 

Example :

checking ISO filesystem <checkbox> error count <label>

checking Joilet filesystem <checkbox> error count <label>

checking UDF filesystem <checkbox> error count <label>

 

If error count > 0 then error count label color "be" red

These checking works before disc write and after disc write...

 

These examples only idea and examples, not request.

 

For people that just want to stick some random files on a disc, a slight truncation of names is no big deal - and again, people who've ever burnt discs before with long file names will have probably already seen that they get truncated and know it's going to happen before it actually happens.

You thinking and my thinking is big different, I think file name checking funcion of cd burner application, not user function.

I've improved the 'non compliant folder/file names' logging option to let you specify which file systems to show the warnings for.

So it's now enabled by default, only showing warnings from the Joliet and UDF file systems.

Thank you, good idea.

 

ps.: nero say before writing discs is file/directory name is too length - my request is not extra request.

 

Possible topic status change to closed.

 

Thank you!

[lfcrule1972]

Possible topic status change to closed.

 

Thank you!

 

[totya]

Possible topic status change to closed.

 

Thank you!

My english is poor, sorry...

[Martin H]

Who use really iso9660 filesystem? Minimum joilet (iso9660&joilet), or UDF.

I think, who want use really iso9660, this user know, 8.3 character is limit...

"Simple" user uses default settings->joilet.

Please educate yourself before posting nonsense! The default filesystem selection in ImgBurn is ISO9660 + UDF! Now the thing that you have done, is to go change the settings from their default state(ISO9660 + UDF to ISO9660 + Joliet), without having a clue about what the effects of those changes being and then if that's not enough, then you have the nerve to go fill a bug report to the author and still after being politely explained by the author what you did wrong, then you still claim that it's an ImgBurn error Granted, in your last post you admit that it's not an ImgBurn error, but a fault of Joliet, but as noted above, then this is simply not the case either, and the fault is entirely yourselfs, period.

 

Users of ImgBurn are supposed to know what they are doing, and if they don't, then there are plenty of other apps which hold the users hand under the entire process. Also ImgBurn even has an option for "holding your hand" as related to this issue as LUK! said previously.

 

Edit: Ups, sorry guys - I totally forgot to look at the date of the last post in this thread before replying and hence, missed the fact that it was allready 9 days old and the thread probably considered ended allready #39;( Again, sorry about that

Edited December 10, 2006 by Martin H

[blutach]

In any event, that's one the great benefits of UDF - freedom from short files. Since all modern OSs read UDF, I'd switch to that.

 

Regards

[Martin H]

Yeah, that is very good advice IMHO I personally dosen't even bother making ISO9660+UDF bridges when writing data backups to DVD+Rs and just only use UDF by itself, since as you said, UDF is indeed very well supported on the different popular OSes like e.g. from Windows 98 and up(UDF v1.02), Gnu/Linux and Mac OS X.

 

CU, Martin.

[dbminter]

big problem with ImgBurn

 

No.......I disagree..........This may be a big problem for you because of your need to use long file names, but I do not see it as a problem for ImgBurn or the 10's of thousands of other users.....

 

 

 

Long file names? Did someone say something about long file names? How about... long label fields?

[dbminter]

Me too

 

10 PRINT "HELLO"

20 GOTO 10

 

 

 

10 Goto 10

20 END

[dbminter]

Or an even dumber one!

 

 

10 Exit

20 Goto 10

30 End

 

 

Or maybe even

 

10 Exit

20 End

 

 

[blutach]

Yer gunna rival LFC soon, db, for crazy posts if you don't watch out

 

Regards

[dbminter]

I was going to ask rival him for what because my e-mail version of this shows it pre-edit.