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Today Taiyo Yuden leads the way in high quality CD DVD media, inductors, and circuit modules. As the first company to pioneer recordable CDs, Taiyo Yuden sets the global standard in DVD media. The global reach of its CD DVD media products extends from Japan, South Korea, China, the Philippines and Malaysia, with sales offices in the US, Asia, and Europe. Itscordable product line includes the Taiyo Yuden DVD-R, DVD+R, CD-R. With quality comes a relative expense. However, be careful with companies that advertise cheap Taiyo Yudens. Imitations of TY discs can be spotted by the packaging and the media code. what speed or number times discs should I get? I have a pioneer DVD-R +R ROM writer drive. I posted recently about best burn speeds & I was advised to use 8x or 12X, so what speed discs should I get? they also have laquer, thermal printable,white & silver inkjet printable, & hub pritable. They also have their value lines & premium lines, is there a big difference here? supposedly, if it is a Taiyo Yuden, the best, can I go very far wrong with their value line? or should I get premium line? Sossity
cornholio7 Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 as long as they are genuine taiyo yuden then buy them, its up to you which top surface you want , ie do you want to print on them or not. personally i don't buy other brands that use yuden ink and only buy TYG02 yudens
Altercuno Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 I back up my camcorder video to Verbatim 16x DVD+R Made in Japan which code out as YUDEN000-T03-00 (and no its not pr0n before anybody starts). I burn (& verify) two discs at 8x and the original camcorder tapes are saved in case further backups needed. If its valuable and important I would spend the extra and get the premium line, tho with any TY product its hard to go far wrong. Use a late model burner if poss with up to date firmware and only, only, only, burn with Imgburn. If you use any other burn engine the discs will have compatibility/playback problems...
burf Posted June 14, 2008 Posted June 14, 2008 I'd go TY Premium for the few cents more a disc. Also, no need to go to the expense of 16X discs. My 8X disks, if I set ImgBurn to Auto Write speed, will write at over 12X (flawlessly). Notice the Disc profile in ImgBurn, of the 8X discs... the supported write speeds: Current Profile: DVD-R Disc Information: Status: Empty Erasable: No Free Sectors: 2,298,496 Free Space: 4,707,319,808 bytes Free Time: 510:48:46 (MM:SS:FF) Supported Write Speeds: 4x, 6x, 8x, 12x Pre-recorded Information: Manufacturer ID: TYG02 If I recall, the 16X will write at 18X, if your drive can handle it.
Sossity Posted June 15, 2008 Author Posted June 15, 2008 for my purposes of burning movie & photo files off my point & shoot digicam, what would be best? DVD-R or DVD+R? does it matter? which type wpuld be the most compatable with the most type of computers, older/newer PCs & Macs? I am just archiving the movie & photo clips, in their pure original form straight from the camera right now, not making DVD videos. The movie files are mpgs & photos are jpgs from a sony cybershot digicam.Does anyone know what the "everst certified " Taiyo yuden discs are? that I saw among the disc choices beig sold? what is the difference between those & the others? is the super media online store (supermediastore.com) a good safe place to get genuine Taiyo Yuden discs? Is it safe to write on the top surface of the discs with something like a sharpie marker for description of disc contents? how long will the discs keep for? I will srart burning to them soon, do they go bad if not used by a certain time? ie; if I get cake box full now in 2008, & have a few left over say in 2009,2010, & so on will those few left over be still good? thanks everyone for the help so far Sossity
burf Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 (edited) I don't really know much, about the difference of the +-R... I use -R, which is more compatible with older players. I believe Everest is a labeliing technology. Supermediastore is probably the most recommended online site for TY media. I used to buy mine there, but I found a reputable dealer, locally, so now I just pick them up... http://www.checkoutstore.com/... you can compare prices. As long as you write on top of the disc, I don't think a sharpie is a problem... but there are others here, that may know better Edited June 15, 2008 by burf
Altercuno Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 Everest certified are supposed to be able to handle the heat and cold better. Avoid the value line as I've read they are seconds which fail quality tests. I use the +R because they can be book type Dvd Rom which makes them more compatible with other players/drives. Imgburn can do this. Check the excellent guides... I use sharpies, indelible ink pens in my part of the world, and they seem to be ok. How long will they keep for? Well when Dvds first came out they said they would last 100 years and had people driving over them in tanks. Who knows? 5 years for good quality discs would be my guess - I would be looking to replace mine about then. Cant comment on supermediastore.com, as I've never used them, but I've heard they're ok. More knowledgeable members will probably post soon....
Sossity Posted June 16, 2008 Author Posted June 16, 2008 (edited) Everest certified are supposed to be able to handle the heat and cold better. Avoid the value line as I've read they are seconds which fail quality tests. I use the +R because they can be book type Dvd Rom which makes them more compatible with other players/drives. Imgburn can do this. Check the excellent guides... I use sharpies, indelible ink pens in my part of the world, and they seem to be ok. How long will they keep for? Well when Dvds first came out they said they would last 100 years and had people driving over them in tanks. Who knows? 5 years for good quality discs would be my guess - I would be looking to replace mine about then. Cant comment on supermediastore.com, as I've never used them, but I've heard they're ok. More knowledgeable members will probably post soon.... thanks for the tips, I looked through the guides for book type DVD Roms, & all I saw was it briefly mentioned in the guide overview on how to burn to single layer discs, could not see anything more in depth about it, I must have missed something? I am not sure if I was clear in my purpose of archiving my content, sorry if not, but I am not using a camcorder, just using my Sony point & shoot digicam which is primarily a camera that shoots jpgs, but it can also shoot mpg 480 x 640 movie clips with only the capacity of the memory card being the limit of how long one can record. I download all my photos & movie files unedited from my digicam onto my external hard drives, from the external hard drives is where I will/want to back up archive my photo/movie files unedited/untouched to DVD discs. In my internet research I came across another brand of DVD discs, MAM-A gold & silver, would these be better than Tayo Yuden discs? MAM-A shows on their website as their gold discs lasting over 100 years. I notice their discs, especially the gold ones are quite a bit more expensive than Taiyo Yudens, I like the look Taiyo Yudens as they are less expensive & are of good quality. I also researched the difference between DVD-R & DVD+R, & so far from what I gather, DVD-Rs are an older format, & +Rs are a newer format. does anyone think Will DVD-Rs eventually become obsolete? I know no one has a crystal ball, just some knowledgeable opinions, I don't want to go with a format that may become obsolete, but read that this older format is more compatible with older equipment, like older computers DVD players, which is what i want my discs to be, but also want them to be viable & compatible with equipment of the future. Sossity Edited June 16, 2008 by Sossity
Altercuno Posted June 16, 2008 Posted June 16, 2008 Here's a guide by btm Locoeng on book typing which will help you make an informed choice... Booktyping with Imgburn make sure you use the latest version of Imgburn. I only archive video to disc, photos I save on hard drive and email myself a copy. Use a web based email if you do this so its independent of you computer. Flickr is another option. I upload video to youtube, google video & blip tv as a means of saving/sharing them Spinning media will disappear sooner or later. Probably as the price of HDD & flash media fall. Don't know about the gold discs - never used them...perhaps others have...
Sossity Posted June 16, 2008 Author Posted June 16, 2008 Here's a guide by btm Locoeng on book typing which will help you make an informed choice... Booktyping with Imgburn make sure you use the latest version of Imgburn. I only archive video to disc, photos I save on hard drive and email myself a copy. Use a web based email if you do this so its independent of you computer. Flickr is another option. I upload video to youtube, google video & blip tv as a means of saving/sharing them Spinning media will disappear sooner or later. Probably as the price of HDD & flash media fall. Don't know about the gold discs - never used them...perhaps others have... I have a gmail account, is that a web based email? what other web based e-mails are there? I also have a at&t yahoo mail account. I am not sure about DVD player compatability, when I burned some of my content to DVD-Rs with image burn, using all 3 file systems on my windows PC it read it as a DVD-ROM & could read/open its contents, but my set top DVD player hooked to my TV could not, but my newer portable DVD player can. I tried an experiment & burned some of my content onto a CD-R with image burn, using all 3 file sytems, & again my PC could read it, but my set top DVD player could not. I notice that if I burn my movie & photo files to CD-R using windows XP burning wizard, burning one movie file at a time, my set top DVD player can read these discs. I cannot burn to blank DVDs with windows, at least I cant with my PC, so to burn to DVD I have to use 3rd party software like a video editor or image burn. so I am still a bit confused as to what to go with; DVD-R or +R, in my instance with my set top DVD player I don't know if it would make any difference as it does not seem to have the ability to read DVD-ROMs I got it in 2004 or 2005. I have made DVDs from a video editor with menus etc, as opposed to the data discs I am doing now, onto DVD+Rs & DVD+DLs before & my set top DVD player could play these. Do you think the everest Taiyo Yudens DVD-Rs are alot better & worth the higher price as opposed to the premium line of DVD-Rs? I notice the DVD+Rs don't seem to come in a premium or everest line. Can you adjust the booktype setting for DVD-ROM DVD player compatability for DVD-Rs? I cannot quite determine my drive type for the booktype settings window in image burn, in the device window in image burn my drive is a pioneer DVD-RW DVR-111D 1.23 ATA current profile N/A Thanks for your help so far still a little confused, Sossity
Altercuno Posted June 17, 2008 Posted June 17, 2008 Yes Gmail & Yahoo are web based accounts so if you computer fails your emails are safe on their servers. I also use Thunderbird linked to Gmail. Welcome to the world of Dvd compatability Basically there isn't any. I use the +R format and buy Dvd players and portables from manufactures that support that format - Philips & LG for instance. Sony do as well, but I avoid their products if possible. Cheap players from China will play almost anything. Big brand names out of Japan like Hitatchi, Toshiba, Panasonic at one time only supported -R. This isn't like video tape where one tape played in any machine - well after betamax went kaput - compatibility is a big issue. I used to take discs of my home movies with me to play on dvd players I was considering buying to see if they worked, so its not surprising you are having problems. I made the mistake of trying to burn Dvds with Windows once, then mmalves pointed out it can't be done. Thanks mate Dvd-Rom is the standard format that all players should read/play. That's why you change the book type to make the discs more compatible, but only the +R format can be changed - another reason I use +R. Still don't know about Everest discs - you could try them. I would back up to HDD or some other medium to limit the risk of loosing stuff, rather than just rely on discs no matter how good they were meant to be. Dunno why your drive isn't listed...perhaps the boss or btms know... Experiment to find out what works for you...
LIGHTNING UK! Posted June 17, 2008 Posted June 17, 2008 Pioneer drives perform automatic booktype setting (on DVD+R DL at least). There is nothing that a piece of software can configure with Pioneer drives. If you want bitsetting on DVD+R too, you need to create a patched firmware and flash the drive with it.
dontasciime Posted June 17, 2008 Posted June 17, 2008 I made the mistake of trying to burn Dvds with Windows once, then mmalves pointed out it can't be done. Thanks mate Curious: In what sense ?
Altercuno Posted June 17, 2008 Posted June 17, 2008 I tried to burn a dvd with windows without 3rd party support...mmalves told me windows can only burn cds...
LIGHTNING UK! Posted June 17, 2008 Posted June 17, 2008 Correct, Windows XP's built-in burning only supports CDs. DVD burning is new in Vista.
Sossity Posted June 17, 2008 Author Posted June 17, 2008 (edited) Pioneer drives perform automatic booktype setting (on DVD+R DL at least). There is nothing that a piece of software can configure with Pioneer drives. If you want bitsetting on DVD+R too, you need to create a patched firmware and flash the drive with it. how do I go about doing this? are there step by step instructions? I noticed after burning to DVD-R & then DVD+R with image burn, a window pops up from Windows XP asking what I want to do with the DVD-ROM ( it reads in the top corner; drive d; DVD-ROM ) & lists options for me to choose. According to this pop up from windows, it showed my DVD+R as a DVD-ROM, does this mean that my pioneer drive automatically set it to the compatable DVD-ROM format that people are advising to make DVD+Rs more compatable? did it do its book bit setting thing? but I notice in windows my burned DVD-Rs show up as DVD-ROM as well, I thought this could not be done with DVD-Rs? Maybe in my instance I might be better off just getting DVD-Rs, I remember reading that pioneer was one of the makers that supported/backed the development of DVD-R, & since my DVD burner is a pioneer, & Taiyo Yuden was the inventor of the CD-R, another-R format, maybe it would make more sense to use DVD-Rs, it seems I am getting into something quite complicated trying to get a DVD+R to be a readable DVD-ROM. All I want to do is get my stuff backed up onto an optical medium, in addition to my external hard drives. Just trying to decide whether it is worth paying for the slightly more expensive DVD+R Taiyo Yudens or the DVD-Rs. Some people say it does not really matter, if that is so I don't see any reason to pay more for one format over the other? since DVD-R is an older format, does anyone think it will become obsolete? Thanks for your help so far Sossity Edited June 18, 2008 by Sossity
Cynthia Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 If you see this in the verify section of the log W 06:20:57 Waiting for device to become ready...I 06:21:11 Device Ready! I 06:21:18 Operation Started! I 06:21:18 Source Device: [2:1:0] ATAPI DVD A DH20A3H YY11 (E:) (ATA) I 06:21:18 Source Media Type: DVD+R (Book Type: DVD-ROM) (Disc ID: YUDEN000-T03-00) (Speeds: 4x; 6x; 8x; 12x; 16x; 18x; 20x) then the book type function worked. since DVD-R is an older format, does anyone think it will become obsolete? No. It's like Pepsi and Coca-Cola, some like the other one better.
Sossity Posted June 20, 2008 Author Posted June 20, 2008 If you see this in the verify section of the log W 06:20:57 Waiting for device to become ready...I 06:21:11 Device Ready! I 06:21:18 Operation Started! I 06:21:18 Source Device: [2:1:0] ATAPI DVD A DH20A3H YY11 (E:) (ATA) I 06:21:18 Source Media Type: DVD+R (Book Type: DVD-ROM) (Disc ID: YUDEN000-T03-00) (Speeds: 4x; 6x; 8x; 12x; 16x; 18x; 20x) then the book type function worked. since DVD-R is an older format, does anyone think it will become obsolete? No. It's like Pepsi and Coca-Cola, some like the other one better. I put a burned DVD+R into my drive & verified it & its book type was DVD+R, it showed my pioneer drive as; pioneer DVD-RW DVR 111D 1.23 ( ATA ) I beleive it burnes +R, DL+R +RW, -R-RW, someone in a previous post mentioned setting a drive to make DVD+R booktype to DVD-ROM, how would I go about doing this? I cliked on set book type in the image burn build mode window write files to disc, & did not see a pioneer tab to set, can it be done with my drive?
Cynthia Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 MediaCodeSpeedEdit should be able to enable the bit setting support. http://club.cdfreaks.com/f87/mediacodespee...writers-153213/
mmalves Posted June 20, 2008 Posted June 20, 2008 pioneer DVD-RW DVR 111D 1.23 ( ATA ) I beleive it burnes +R, DL+R +RW, -R-RW, someone in a previous post mentioned setting a drive to make DVD+R booktype to DVD-ROM, how would I go about doing this? I cliked on set book type in the image burn build mode window write files to disc, & did not see a pioneer tab to set, can it be done with my drive? The latest firmware available for your Pioneer DVR-111D burner is 1.29, so you should upgrade yours since using the latest firmware ensures higher quality burns. Regarding the booktype, as Cynthia said, you'll have to patch the firmware before applying it on the burner, since there's no "manual" way to booktype +R media on Pioneer burners.
Sossity Posted June 21, 2008 Author Posted June 21, 2008 pioneer DVD-RW DVR 111D 1.23 ( ATA ) I beleive it burnes +R, DL+R +RW, -R-RW, someone in a previous post mentioned setting a drive to make DVD+R booktype to DVD-ROM, how would I go about doing this? I cliked on set book type in the image burn build mode window write files to disc, & did not see a pioneer tab to set, can it be done with my drive? The latest firmware available for your Pioneer DVR-111D burner is 1.29, so you should upgrade yours since using the latest firmware ensures higher quality burns. Regarding the booktype, as Cynthia said, you'll have to patch the firmware before applying it on the burner, since there's no "manual" way to booktype +R media on Pioneer burners. Thanks for the firmware link, is there step by step instructions on patching the firmware? by the firmware did you mean the link to the firm wares you just gave me? maybe I screwed something up, but I just downloaded the firmware in your link, & a black screen came up showing the firmware updating, it told me to eject the disc I had in the drive, so I took the disc out, & clicked the ok prompt on the screen, & then everything went away, small black progress screen & all, so I guess it downloaded it. Is it too late to try & patch anything? or can I still patch something? how do I go about doing this? Sossity
Cynthia Posted June 21, 2008 Posted June 21, 2008 First you need to restart your computer. It should work to patch the firmware you downloaded (before you flash it) and then after the patch/fix is applied, flash the burner again.
Cynthia Posted June 21, 2008 Posted June 21, 2008 You should have an extracted folder named 'DVR111D', in this folder there is a file named 'A0812001.129' - use this file as input file in the program MediaCodeSpeedEdit and follow the instructions in the section 'Usage firmware modification:' in this first post in this thread: http://club.cdfreaks.com/f87/mediacodespee...writers-153213/ When you are done and have saved your applied changes you need to download this tool - DVDFlash (this tool will update your burner with your modified firmware) http://club.cdfreaks.com/f87/dvrflash-2-1-released-142963/ load your created file/firmware and flash it. You should find plenty of instructions on how to do it in that thread.
Sossity Posted June 21, 2008 Author Posted June 21, 2008 (edited) You should have an extracted folder named 'DVR111D', in this folder there is a file named 'A0812001.129' - use this file as input file in the program MediaCodeSpeedEdit and follow the instructions in the section 'Usage firmware modification:' in this first post in this thread: http://club.cdfreaks.com/f87/mediacodespee...writers-153213/ When you are done and have saved your applied changes you need to download this tool - DVDFlash (this tool will update your burner with your modified firmware) http://club.cdfreaks.com/f87/dvrflash-2-1-released-142963/ load your created file/firmware and flash it. You should find plenty of instructions on how to do it in that thread. I followed all the instructions on how to load the firmware patch in media code speed, only change I made was checked off box for enable bit setting saved it in/with the folder that had the pioneer firmware upgrade, then went on to download DVR flasher, I got an empty white box on my desktop that is; DVRflash.exe, I double click on it & windows asks me if I want to run this software, I click yes & then a black box/window with white lettering opens & reads; DVRFlash v2.1.1 : Pioneer DVR firmware flasher by Agent Smith, et al., july 2005 Commandline: C:/Documents & settings/Sossity/Desktop/DVRFlash.exe Device parameter was not given, detecting all DVR drives: Device : D: vendor : Pioneer model : DVD-RW DVR-111D revision: 1.23 status : RPC-2 (region locked) region :none changes: 5 region changes remaining 4 vendor resets remaining state is region not set Now run DVRFlash again, from the command prompt, using one of the device (s) listed above as first parameter press return key to exit what does this mean? did it make the adjustments to my drive firmware? I tried exiting & re double clicking the DVRFlash.exe box/icon on my desktop a couple of times & 1st I get windows asking if I want to run this software, I click yes, & then I get the message above again. I hope I am not causing irreversible damage to my drive, I have no experience with this sort of thing, am just following along the best I can a little lost & confused Sossity Edited June 21, 2008 by Sossity
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