DVD DL Compatibility Issue Or Not ???

Aten · February 17, 2007

Hi there. My first post. Recently installed DVD Decrypter, DVD Shrink and ImgBurn. Very impressed with all 3 esp Imgburn.

Been using only the 4.7gb dvd-r Disks (Taiyo Yuden). No touble so far, been working like a charm until i recently decided to purchase some

8gb Umedisk dvd dl +r. Had three coatsers in a row after using decrypter and then burning with imgburn.

Using a LG GSA 4163b Drive with latest firmware (A105). This paticular firware suposedly supports Ume (Aml 002 0) but then i noticed

that the Umedisk i purchased hav ADVDInfo: RICOHJPND01. Perhaps this could be the reason why the disks are coasting and not

the fact that i hav a bad batch.

Got decent pc specs with windows xp home.

Ive included the log info for those who know how to read this cryptic stuff lol:

I 18:07:07 DVD Decrypter Version 3.5.4.0 started!

I 18:07:07 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)

I 18:07:07 Initialising SPTI...

I 18:07:07 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 18:07:07 Found 1 DVD-ROM/CD-RW and 1 DVD-RAM/?RW!

I 18:08:50 Operation Started!

I 18:08:50 Source File: C:\Documents and Settings\stewart\My Documents\My Videos\DVD ISO\DONNIE_DARKO.iso

I 18:08:50 Source File Sectors: 2,150,464 (MODE1/2048)

I 18:08:50 Source File Size: 4,404,150,272 bytes

I 18:08:50 Source File Application Identifier: ImgBurn v2.1.0.0

I 18:08:50 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn

I 18:08:50 Destination Device: [2:0:0] HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B A105 (D:) (ATA)

I 18:08:50 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RICOHJPN-D01-67) (Speeds: 2.4x)

I 18:08:50 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824

I 18:08:50 Write Mode: DVD

I 18:08:50 Write Type: SAO

I 18:08:50 Write Speed: MAX

I 18:08:50 Link Size: Auto

I 18:08:50 Test Mode: No

I 18:08:50 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 18:08:50 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,075,552

I 18:08:50 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: ECC Block Boundary, VOBU Boundary

I 18:09:28 Filling Buffer...

I 18:09:28 Writing LeadIn...

W 18:09:28 Failed to Write Sectors 32 - 63 - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:09:28 Retrying (1 of 20)...

W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:09:28 Retrying (2 of 20)...

W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:09:28 Retrying (3 of 20)...

W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:09:28 Retrying (4 of 20)...

W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:09:28 Retrying (5 of 20)...

W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:09:28 Retrying (6 of 20)...

W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:09:28 Retrying (7 of 20)...

W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:09:28 Retrying (8 of 20)...

W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:09:28 Retrying (9 of 20)...

W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:09:28 Retrying (10 of 20)...

W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:09:28 Retrying (11 of 20)...

W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:09:28 Retrying (12 of 20)...

W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:09:28 Retrying (13 of 20)...

W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:09:28 Retrying (14 of 20)...

W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:09:28 Retrying (15 of 20)...

W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:09:28 Retrying (16 of 20)...

W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:09:28 Retrying (17 of 20)...

W 18:09:28 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:09:28 Retrying (18 of 20)...

W 18:09:29 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:09:29 Retrying (19 of 20)...

W 18:09:29 Retry Failed - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:09:29 Retrying (20 of 20)...

W 18:09:29 Retry Failed! - Invalid Address For Write

E 18:09:37 Failed to Write Sectors 32 - 63 - Invalid Address For Write

I 18:09:37 Synchronising Cache...

I 18:09:38 Closing Track...

I 18:09:42 Finalising Disc...

Would really appreciate any help as i need to see if i can return these umediscs to the supplier. Btw i just did some research

and found that the best dvd dl +r disks to use with my drive are called MITSUBISHI KAGAKU. Are they any relation to TY or MKM or Verbatim?

RushOrDie

Edited February 18, 2007 by RushOrDie

**digidragon** · February 18, 2007

You're right about the discs. Although RICOHJPN are normally pretty good for single layer discs, most people here will tell you that the only reliable DVD+DL discs are Verbatims (MKM-001-00).

MKM = Mitsubishi Kagaku Media

**dontasciime** · February 18, 2007

Still the only consistent choice Verbatim MKM

Aten · February 18, 2007

Thanks for the input but could i also ask if my log file breakdown is consistent with some sort of conflict between the Ume media and my dvd drive?

Could i also ask if theres an alternative DVD DL disk aside from the verbatims that would be compat with my LG 4163b drive. I find the VB DL to be slightly out of my price range. ?1.70 a disk is reasonable but you would hav thought by now that they would hav come down after the release of Blu Ray and HD DVD formats.

One last thing. As Dvd Decypter has been discontinued for sometime now is it as effective as it was then as it is now, what with new securities being updated and released. Does any1 hav any recomendations and if not im happy to stick with it.

**dontasciime** · February 18, 2007

You could try loads of dual layer and when they don't work cost you more than getting ones that do work AKA Verbatim.

For the 2nd question I am afraid you will have to google an alternative to DD

Aten · February 18, 2007

You could try loads of dual layer and when they don't work cost you more than getting ones that do work AKA Verbatim.

dontasciime,

1) Yeah your probably right about this. Although if anyone else is using a LG 4163b dvd drive please let me know if you are having any success with other

dvd DL medias aside from Verbatim and MKM. Umediscs seem to crash and burn for me.

2) Im a great advocate of googling but in this case based on such a great site and knowledge base is it possible to ask if DD even has a

freeware alternative.

3) On a seperate not despite setting up my avatar in profile settings why doesnt it appear in my posts under user name?

**cornholio7** · February 18, 2007

with reference to question 2, we are not allowed to discuss ripping software on this forum so google is your friend here.

did your avatar meet the criteria ? was it maybe too big in size ?

**polopony** · February 18, 2007

You could try loads of dual layer and when they don't work cost you more than getting ones that do work AKA Verbatim.

dontasciime,

1) Yeah your probably right about this. Although if anyone else is using a LG 4163b dvd drive please let me know if you are having any success with other

dvd DL medias aside from Verbatim and MKM. Umediscs seem to crash and burn for me.

2) Im a great advocate of googling but in this case based on such a great site and knowledge base is it possible to ask if DD even has a

freeware alternative.

3) On a seperate not despite setting up my avatar in profile settings why doesnt it appear in my posts under user name?

#1 after much testing Verbatim dual layer discs are the ONLY discs that work right all others are inferior and most of the time cant even be burned to completion

#2 we cant offer you any advice on bypassing copyright protection or any programs that can, its a legal issue and the ability to rip was what put the author in trouble and put an end to decrypter

Aten · February 18, 2007

Thanks for the input guys and girls.

2) Im a great advocate of googling but in this case based on such a great site and knowledge base is it possible to ask if DD even has a
freeware alternative.

Im actually aware of the site rules which is why i meant q2 to be kinda vague. How about if i rephrase without any legal ramifications.

Is it in my interest to google an alternative FREEWARE to the before-mentioned program. Not asking for a name, just yes or no.

Regardless of the answer i ll never ask this question again.

Can i just say that this is one of the best forums ive been to. Clean manageable inteface, Great Profileing and quick replies. Used to think ZA forum was impressive...

Where the hell was i when imgburn was doing it stuff back in 05. Man ive been missing out.

Edited February 18, 2007 by RushOrDie

**digidragon** · February 19, 2007

Yes, you will find some freeware to do what you want.

This, and the previous forum, is (was) excellent. There is seldom a post that goes without an answer. And the Beta guys here are very helpful and very knowledgable.

Aten · February 19, 2007

Using a LG GSA 4163b Drive with latest firmware (A105). This paticular firware suposedly supports Ume (Aml 002 0) but then i noticed
that the Umedisk i purchased hav ADVDInfo: RICOHJPND01. Perhaps this could be the reason why the disks are coasting and not

the fact that i hav a bad batch.

Did a little checking and it looks like these DL UmeDisks ADVDInfo: RICOHJPND01 are not supported or at least favoured by my LG Drive. Im

considering one more attempt but with NERO instead of ImgBurn. Would this make much of a difference because i saw the same I/0 error in DD? Not suprised with those results as DD uses the same burn engine more or less.

**Shamus_McFartfinger** · February 19, 2007

Did a little checking and it looks like these DL UmeDisks ADVDInfo: RICOHJPND01 are not supported or at least favoured by my LG Drive. Im
considering one more attempt but with NERO instead of ImgBurn. Would this make much of a difference because i saw the same I/0 error in DD? Not suprised with those results as DD uses the same burn engine more or less.

In reality it shouldn't make any difference. Afterall, your drive is ultimately responsible for what is burned to disk. ImgBurn or Ner0 or whatever are just the interfaces that tell your hardware how to behave and to do as it's told. If the drive and media have a compatibility problem, the choice of burning program is irrelevant.

Aten · February 19, 2007

Been browsing through the support section. Came across some chatter regarding PgcEdit. Need to confirm something.

Bascially, I thought the reason why my DL +R Umedisks were coasting were probably related to an incompatibilty with my DVD

drive. No one definitively confirmed this based on my log which is why im wondering, could the coasters hav anything to do with not

using PgcEdit to restrucuture the dvd?

Now i think ive been using a 1:1 reading program (DVD Decrypter) and being left with an ISO and a MDs File so this shouldnt even be an issue. Just hoping to eliminate all possibilites and be as close to 100% certainty if pos. This guy had all the right media and so fourth but it wasnt until he rebuilt the layer breaks b4 he could get good burns.

Why would a program not make a clone of whats it copying and need to be restructured in the case of DL media??? Am i making sense

or hav i spent too much time scanning though the support sections lol.

Edited February 21, 2007 by RushOrDie

jack · February 19, 2007

Not sure what thread you are referring to, but if you have created the ISO using DVDD then you should be fine to burn it straight back using the MDS file as it will contain all the info about layer break etc that you need. The problems you are having are certainly due to the piss poor media you are using and you could use a gallon of petrol and a big box of matches and still not get a decent burn. As the others have said, Verbs are the way to go on dual layer. I know it's a real pisser when you have a stack of crap dual layers that you want to use but the best thing to do if you cant exchange them is offer them to a ninja as cut price shurikens!!

"Hi Ho, Hi Ho, its off to buy verbs I go!" :thumbup:

**lfcrule1972** · February 20, 2007

I agree with all the fella's above don't even bother trying Dual Layer burns without the Verbatim DVD+R DL's ( DO NOT BUY THE DVD-R DL's).

Check out the Drives/Media area where different drives have burnt DL media, only the Verbatims stand up to the tests consistently....

Aten · February 21, 2007

Just discovered a firmware update for my LG GSA-4163b that wasnt listed with LG's US or European driver site. Upgraded from A105 > A106.

As a result i decided to try and burn those DL UmeDiscs out of curiosity. Same prob as b4 i think. Heres the info:

Inc Log:

I 18:36:47 ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 started!

I 18:36:47 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)

I 18:36:47 Initialising SPTI...

I 18:36:47 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...

I 18:36:47 Found 1 DVD?RW/RAM!

I 18:42:11 Operation Started!

I 18:42:11 Source File: X:\BROKEN_FLOWERS\BROKEN_FLOWERS.MDS

I 18:42:11 Source File Sectors: 3,368,607 (MODE1/2048)

I 18:42:11 Source File Size: 6,898,907,136 bytes

I 18:42:11 Source File Volume Identifier: BROKEN_FLOWERS

I 18:42:11 Source File Implementation Identifier: Spruce Technologies

I 18:42:11 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02)

I 18:42:11 Destination Device: [2:0:0] HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B A106 (D:) (ATA)

I 18:42:11 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RICOHJPN-D01-67) (Speeds: 2.4x)

I 18:42:11 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824

I 18:42:12 Write Mode: DVD

I 18:42:12 Write Type: DAO

I 18:42:12 Write Speed: 2.4x

I 18:42:12 Link Size: Auto

I 18:42:12 Test Mode: No

I 18:42:12 BURN-Proof: Enabled

I 18:42:12 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1,688,720

I 18:42:12 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: Copied From Original Disc

I 18:42:48 Filling Buffer...

I 18:42:48 Writing LeadIn...

W 18:42:48 Failed to Write Sectors 32 - 63 - Invalid Address For Write

W 18:42:48 Retrying (1 of 20)...