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I gotta say pain_man, re your idea of daylight robbery here, your source musta been on the sauce - big time. Regards

Anybody ever see Bowling For Columbine? Guns in safe hands of responsible owners - maybe. But when they get into the hands of kids (disturbed or otherwise) - no thanks Last time I looked, you didn't need a gun to kill masses of people either - just the political will to create a lawless society. For example, in Rwanda, machetes killed almost a million people in a few months of State sponsored genocide. And, while we quoting stats, our murder rate per capita with firearms is miniscule (as is that of the UK) compared to the USA. Up 300% probably means (without having examined Shamus's links) up from 2 to 8 in a year (that is of course a morning's "work" in the barrio of LA or in NYC). I think I'll take the no guns, thanks. And, I don't need a gun to feel safe. When I leave the home for a short period, I often leave the door unlocked, garage door up (with my car in plain view - also unlocked). I'm pretty sure you can't do that in "the safer society" where "citizens" have guns. Regards

@Chewy, That would require a format conversion. An +RW finalised is in straight DVD-VIDEO form that can be played on any player - that's why we like it. None of our players have the ability to play VROs. Regards

LFC - I may be warped, but the only bloke around here that shags camcorders is you!!! I actually prefer to shag women!!! :D Regards

And we're proud of it. I bet had the convicts known what to expect - sun, sand and surf; and babes and booze - they woulda stolen a few more loaves of bread just to get on the boat. Regards

1st August 2007 - 364 days to go! Be patient. Regards

Couldn't see that it did polo (except Maxell by implication - 5 30 min -Rs were supplied with the cam). Just have to try and see, I guess. Regards

@Shamus - probably, but it's really for Firey just to take a few home movies - you know, pointing the lens at the mirrored ceiling @Chewy - I think yer right, and yes, they could do with a firmware flash, couldn't they? The Maxell -Rs that were supplied with the cam perform flawlessly. Maybe we'll get them instead. IIRC, Hitachi was part of the -R consortium and probably prefer them. I just was real attracted to the auto-finalisation feature, which works well in 1 out of 4 sides Regards

Well, unfortunately it doesn't suit what I want it for And I am pretty sure this is now a compatibilty issue. Can't be 100% sure, but that's what it seems to be. Regards

@chewy - no, and I don't want to as DVD-RAM can not produce compliant DVD-VIDEO. It produces VRO files, as you know. Regards

It was bloody $ONY. I knew they'd get their revenge on us somehow!!! A$18 a disk. Sorry I bought the fookin cam for Firey. Regards

Shamus is a real ocker. And lfc, no 2 dobts about it, you are a pommie!!! Regards

Gunna find more compatible disks first, I think. But the disks are just peachy, as far as Windows is concerned. Take yer Robitussin. Regards

Well, I can report success (of sorts). I finalised the only disk that was working and made an image of that (this time it's a full 1.4Gb). Burnt it to one of the "bad" disks. Reckoned it HAD to work - after all, it's a bit for bit copy - filesystem and all. And presto, it loaded up in the cam!! (A review in DVDIP and ISOBuster showed comparability). The finalised disk says "completed" in BG Format field but still reckons there's 26.5Mb free (strange that). Anyway, after loading the burnt side, I used the cam to unfinalise and format. So far, so good. But there's more .... (steak knives ad here) Took disk out. Just to be sure put it back in - remember, it's a newly formatted disk now by the cam (and Windows sees its folders too, btw). And - well, shit happens - but the cam doesn't recognise it's own formatted disk. I think the only conclusion to make is that this cam and these disks just don't go well together. Regards

OK - here's some comparisons. I took the data from the side that was working and made an ISO from it. Here's the comparisons (note the filesystem ID and the sizes of the DVD): THIS IS WORKING: THIS DISK DOESN'T LOAD: I wonder whether I should try to make another ISO but this time do a track at once burn. Will that leave the disk in a similar shape to the working one perhaps? Note also the different BG format status in DVDIP - I am not at all sure this can be changed - also not sure if it's important. Thanks again for any advice. Regards

Yup - normal 8cm. But I have a feeling the cam likes to see its own IDs in the filesystem area (na dnot ImgBurn etc). Maybe it keys in on these. But that does not explain why it won't recognise a disk that has 1.4Gb of zeros on it and say "OK, let's format it". Maybe it see the format is "yes" and this confuses it. Shitting me, LFC, but a lousy disk and cam aren't gunna better me. Strange thing is the -Rs work a treat (so far), but I really liked the idea of auto finalisation with the +RWs. Regards

Yeah - same problem. Media is OK, according to ISOBuster. The bloody cam just don't know it's there - it's like I gotta bit of plastic in the cam, not a DVD. I wonder if these disks come preformatted with a special kinda format for Camcorders? Is there a way to lay down the filesystem now? Maybe the cam would recognise it then. Regards

@LFC - the cam is brand new and has been taken back twice now! @LUK - I did a quick format, but got the "have to do a full format" message because it was unformatted. Still, the cam can't recognise it, much less burn it. Will try again. EDIT: ISOBuster shows this: Where's the filesystem gone???? (No files were found, showing the format worked - sorta) EDIT2: Just did a full format in ImgBurn and ISOBuster shows the same message (every sector is 00s). Highly confused now - I thought ImgBurn laid down a filesystem. Regards

Perhaps a toilet bowl then? Regards

Shamus - I've heard you and no-one can understand you. Of course, I was drunk at the time! Regards

Official defo of the word "pommie" (contr. "pom") Pommie ... n, word that immediately precedes "bastard". Nuff said. Regards

Yeah - I read the book back to front and that's what attracted me to the +RWs - that I could shoot something, not fill the disk up and just play it on a stand alone player. The idea is that it auto finalises (so the book says). Thanks for the help btw volvo. Much appreciated Regards

Success (of sorts). Used ImgBurn to copy a file onto the DVD. Windows now sees the disk! As you can see, it shows it as closed with no space left. IB shows the following: But ... the bloody cam refuses to recognise it. Regards

It's a DVD+RW and can only handle VF mode (which is standard DVD-VIDEO). Strange thing is forst time I popped it in, it knew it was unformatted, did a quick format and allowed me to take some vid. Turned unit off and on and couldn't recognise disk. Only diff now is that ImgBurn shows formatted as "Yes". But still no joy. Maybe I should burn something onto it and see how that goes. Regards

The latest - did a fast format/compatible close in DVDIP and PC still can't recognise it. Still says pout a disk in drive but then comes up with this: I think I've trashed another disk Doing full erase in ImgBurn now. EDIT: Erase completed OK but neither PC or Cam recognises disk. Only ImgBurn and DVDIP. Close disk gives me "Invalid field in CDB" error. Even old Ner0 reckons the disk is OK and ready to burn. Regards