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Yeah, they appear to have already been written to but were not completely written correctly. The incomplete sessions status is rather odd for a stack of new discs. You might want to try some other DVD-R and see if it's your drive always returning this same information on all DVD-R.
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Yeah, the DID of MBIPG101-R05-01 seems to indicate these are made by Moser Baer. I know little about them, but a Google of this info seems to indicate they're an Indian based company. Since I've rarely heard of them before, they're probably not quality discs. Try Verbatim MKM/MCC media. Do NOT get the Life Series media, which you'll find in brick and mortar stores and sometimes online. You'll want the DataLifePlus variety, which you can only find online. Like where I get my Verbatim DataLifePlus media from: Amazon.com.
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You're welcome! Wish I could have been of better help.
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Hm, well, if it won't start in Safe Mode, something is up somewhere. Unfortunately, given the relatively unhelpful nature of the error message, I couldn't begin to tell you what to try. LUK, the author, might have a better idea. Sorry.
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If you're saying Windows won't boot in Safe Mode at all, you've got a more serious problem than just ImgBurn not starting. Or are you just saying ImgBurn won't start now in Safe Mode?
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L-EC Uncorrectable when Verifying DVD+R DL
dbminter replied to Sarlacc Pit's topic in ImgBurn Support
I haven't read the pinned post, so I don't know what they're saying by Dye, but dye is generally determined by the manufacturer of the media. Meaning that certain dyes work better than others and that each manufacturer makes their own dye. And when they moved to Blu-Ray, they changed MID to DID (Disc ID) just to make it more confusing. The MID is what really matters because that will tell you the manufacturer of the media. Yes, look for DataLifePlus on the package. But, here's the catch. You probably won't find any DataLifePlus media in a brick and mortar store. I only find them online. I get mine from Amazon.com. Yeah, the label on your first image says they're Life Series. That means they're CMC's junk brands. That 2nd image is what you're after. Or something similar with DataLifePlus on the label. Now, switching from CMC to MKM is not a magic bullet that cures all issues. However, the majority of issues we see on this board are caused by CMC and other cheap media and when people switch to, in this case, MKM DVD+R DL, their problems tend to disappear. So, it's what I generally recommend to start troubleshooting verify issues with. The bottom line, sadly, is Verbatim is a business and all they care about is money. If they can leverage their good name and still slap it on junk media like CMC, they will do it. Verbatim used to make their own quality BD-RE. Now, they only make CMC BD-RE with their name on it. They know that most people won't know the finer details of what you should and shouldn't buy. They know that people want to spend as little as possible, so they take advantage of that by slightly lowering the price of the CMC media they slap their good name on. I wish it weren't the case, but the bottom line is they don't care. Optical media market is dying, and Verbatim is trying to squeeze out the last dime they can from a drying revenue source. Verbatim uses, as far as I know, two manufacturers. They don't make their own. CMC, the junk, and MKM, which is Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation aka MCC. Notice now CMC calls themselves something close to MCC to try and trick people? Mitsubishi is the highest quality manufacturer out there now that Taiyo Yuden has closed up shop. Verbatim probably, I don't know for sure, doesn't sell MKM media in stores because it costs more for higher quality. Even though the cost is about double, you're still only paying like $1 per blank. However, people would rather spend 50 cents over a dollar. Of course, if they knew the quality difference, they'd spend the extra 50 cents because it's only 50 cents. Plus, there's a bigger profit margin on CMC media because it costs less to manufacture. I know Verbatim has been using CMC since after 2010, but as to exactly when they were, I couldn't tell you. The age of your drive could be a factor. It could be so old that newer media is just not tolerated by the drive. The maximum rated write speed is determined by the write strategy in the firmware of your drive. A firmware update for you drive may increase maximum write speed. However, it's always possible your case may be, given the age of your drive, your drive will default to something slower like 2.4x. If it tolerates the media at all. It could be the case in this instance the failure you're experience is caused by newer media on an older drive. However, I would start with trying the quality blanks first and then working downwards in terms of troubleshooting. According to your log, it looks like you're failing Verify right near the layer change, shortly after the start of the 2nd layer. The vast majority of failures on cheap DL media will occur in a Verify at the layer change. -
L-EC Uncorrectable when Verifying DVD+R DL
dbminter replied to Sarlacc Pit's topic in ImgBurn Support
Yeah, it could be the CMC MAG DVD+R DL discs you're using. CMC MAG is CMC Magnetics, the absolute bottom of the barrel optical disc manufacturer. When it comes to DVD+R DL, the only really viable option is Verbatim DataLifePlus MKM kind. Although I've had good results with TDK's DVD+R DL in the past, I still stick with Verbatim's. NOT Verbatim's Life Series you find in brick and mortar stores. They will be CMC. -
Have you tried running ImgBurn in Windows's Safe Mode? See if it will open there.
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I/O Error when I tried to make image file from DVD disc
dbminter replied to TheHelloLeo's topic in ImgBurn Support
Is this a recordable disc or a pressed DVD? The book type says DVD-ROM, but I'm not sure if that's just a recordable disc that has had its book type set to DVD-ROM. However, I'm guessing it's a pressed disc because I'd think if it was a recordable disc, the log would have listed a Disc ID. My main guess, though, is your drive seems to be an LG BD? My experience with LG BD drives is that they're pretty rotten readers. I've had discs that my LG won't read that my Pioneer will. (And, yet, I had a case where my Pioneer wouldn't read a disc but the LG would. ) Also, are you sure this disc plays okay to begin with in a DVD player? It may simply be bad and unreadable at that part to begin with. However, I doubt that. -
Seems lotsa errors by burning BD-R DL. What do they mean ?
dbminter replied to Jack5097's topic in ImgBurn Support
After doing all the various things you did and what I suggested, I was leaning more towards the Samsung player as being at fault, as I said. You replaced your burner with a Pioneer and that solved your Verify problems. However, you were still getting playback errors on the Samsung but not on the PC. The PC was burning, Verifying, and playing/reading fine. So, the most likely culprit was the Samsung player. -
If your stand alone player supports MP4 and WMV native playback, you can use ImgBurn to copy these files to discs and have your player load them. If you play them in Windows, they will load from the discs ImgBurn makes. If you expect your MP4 and WMV files to play as DVD's, you will need to convert them to VIDEO_TS contents. ImgBurn won't do this, but it will burn compliant VIDEO_TS folders made by applications converting MP4 and WMV to DVD VIDEO_TS. I use ConvertXToDVD to convert such files to DVD, but it's not freeware. You have to pay for it, but you can get a watermarked, I think, full trial where you get an entire DVD but it has a watermark that plays all through the video. But, it does give you an idea of if the software is for you or not.
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Also, if you have AnyDVD running while burning a disc, you should disable it. It's been years since it did this, so it may not anymore, but I always disable it when burning for that reason. With it enabled and writing to 8x Ritek DVD+RW, the rewritable discs always failed Verify until they were completely erased with AnyDVD disabled. It didn't do this on DVD-R or DVD+R DL.
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Seems lotsa errors by burning BD-R DL. What do they mean ?
dbminter replied to Jack5097's topic in ImgBurn Support
As I said, it's hard to tell anything based on the exterior packaging. Sometimes the single media test can be the better way to go and sometimes it's more cost effective to get a package of a few, depending on how much the cost per disc is. For instance, if you need 50 of a particular media, it's often cheaper to buy 2 25 cake stacks versus 1 50 stack. However, sometimes it's better to just roll the dice. For instance, I found an Amazon.com seller selling so called DataLifePlus DVD+RW for $18 each. However, the label on the package said nothing about DataLifePlus. Amazon.com sells what it calls DataLifePlus DVD+RW for the same price for 10 of them. However, Amazon.com's listed item picture also doesn't say DataLifePlus on the package. So, it's probably better to roll the dice on the 10 of them and see. -
Seems lotsa errors by burning BD-R DL. What do they mean ?
dbminter replied to Jack5097's topic in ImgBurn Support
There are none so blind as those who will not see, and Samsung, it appears, won't see. Sort of like Freemake. I point out all kinds of repeatable bugs in their software, and they just use excuses like it's iTunes's fault to avoid having to do any research into their own software. I've never even seen a 4k movie, so I can't say anything on that subject. I think those are the DataLifePlus Verbatim BD-R DL that showed up on Amazon.com. I've never used any, so I can't say. I can only attest to the quality of DataLifePlus media from Verbatim. Except for their BD-R SL which aren't labeled as DataLifePlus but still appear to be quality media, I always look for DataLifePlus on the package of Verbatim DVD-R, CD-R, and DVD+R DL. Otherwise, you will get cheap quality CMC media. As for the other BD-R DL, couldn't say. Never used one. Plus, you can't really tell based on the outside package. You need the interior branded label or the Disc ID returned by ImgBurn. -
Seems lotsa errors by burning BD-R DL. What do they mean ?
dbminter replied to Jack5097's topic in ImgBurn Support
Try the DataLifePlus BD-R DL I forwarded before. DataLifePlus is the good stuff that Verbatim makes. If those fail, then you know either your standalone player doesn't like BD-R DL or just that brand of manufacturer. As I said, I've never used BD-R DL, so I don't know if the Pioneer likes those or not. It does like the BD-RE DL made by Verbatim/TDK. (TDK sometimes makes Verbatim's BD-RE DL. TDK is also a generally good manufacturer, but even they will sometimes farm out to CMC.) However, you should be able to tell if it's those Japanese media or not. If the Pioneer still doesn't play the DataLifePlus BD-R DL media on your PC, then you'll have to try something else beyond Verbatim's. -
Seems lotsa errors by burning BD-R DL. What do they mean ?
dbminter replied to Jack5097's topic in ImgBurn Support
Even if you somehow got bad copies, that won't cause discs to fail Verifies or prevent them from playing in a standalone player. They play fine on your PC but not your player, so it's the player. The failures you were getting at the Verifies were at the start of the 2nd layer so those were either problems with the burner or the media or a combination of both. The player probably has no problem with BD-R SL media. But doesn't like BD-R DL media. Or at least the manufacturer type of the BD-R DL you're using. So, you can shrink DL BD movies to SL discs, then by all means, you know that works. Now, one thing to possibly take into account, are you burning the same image file over and over again in your tests? There could be a 1 in 100 chance that the image created is bad. You could try recreating a new image and see if that helps. About the only thing you can do is keep trying media to see if something is tolerated by your player, but most likely you won't find something that works as I still say it's your player. -
Seems lotsa errors by burning BD-R DL. What do they mean ?
dbminter replied to Jack5097's topic in ImgBurn Support
Mitsubishi Kagaku Media is basically the parent company of Verbatim. They make Verbatim's high quality DVD and CD media. However, not everything labeled as Mitsubishi Kagaku Media is high quality Mitsubishi Kagaku Media. I got some BD-RE labeled as Mitsubishi Kagaku Media on the package, but CMC Magnetics actually made them. CMC is the bottom of the barrel optical disc manufacturer. And even Verbatim farms out to CMC for their cheaper DVD and CD Life Series media. In fact, Verbatim no longer makes its own BD-RE SL, instead farming them out to cheap ass CMC. Only thing I could find from doing a Google on VBR260YPV1 is that they go back to at least 2013. So, I don't know if Verbatim actually made those or not. Well, your 4k player probably plays TL media fine when it's pressed media. There are differences between pressed media type and recordable media type. A standalone player may have specific picky issues with recordable media. Given how large 4k discs would have to be, I can see them being TL media. But, they will be pressed discs which have a higher likelihood of playing on a standalone player. For instance, when the PS2 came out in 2000, it would play certain DVD-R when made in 2002 but not always. And it would be random. I'd burn a disc and the PS2 would skip on it. Then, I'd burn the exact same image, the exact same media type, in the exact same burner, and it would play fine. As I said, I'd be more likely to say your player doesn't support recordable multiple layer media. Since these discs complete burns and Verifies and play on your PC but not on your player, the problem is with your player. You could try different media manufacturers until you get lucky, but it's very iffy. Using an entirely different program to make the source video shouldn't matter at all, but if you want to try it, go ahead. I could tell you all kinds of stories of Sony junk from 2002 to when I finally gave up on them. PS2's that needed new drive assemblies after a year, PS3's that needed replacing within a month after purchase, Sony switching from making their own DVD-R to lesser quality Ritek media, BD-RE's that were junk, BD-R's that were junk, PS3's 2nd version of its Blu-Ray remote that dies within a month after purchase, top loading PS2's that don't play DVD's correctly because top loaders were the main quality problem of the PS1, so WHY go back to them just to save on production costs is beyond me. All just leading towards the inescapable conclusion that Sony quality started going downhill in 2002. Before 2002, Sony made great PS2's, PS1's, CD-RW, and DVD burners. -
Seems lotsa errors by burning BD-R DL. What do they mean ?
dbminter replied to Jack5097's topic in ImgBurn Support
It could just be your player doesn't like BD-R DL media. If that's the case, the only way to fix it is to replace the laser, probably. Which means just getting a new player. Especially since you said these discs play fine on your PC drive but not in your standalone player. Since these discs appear to have burned and Verified fine, as evidenced by how they play on your PC and not on your Blu-Ray player, it seems the problem is with the Blu-Ray player. They don't like the particular brand of discs you've been using or just don't like BD-R media at all. For instance, my Playstation 3 doesn't properly play BD-R made by Ritek, but those same discs on BD-R made by Verbatim play without problems. BTW, the Disc ID for those Verbatim BD-R, I think, is the same as the one on the Verbatim BD-R DL you've been using. As I said, it's kind of confusing being able to tell if you've got quality Verbatim BD-R DL media then. As for Sony, I'd avoid them all together. In my opinion, Sony has made little but junk since 2002. Only 3 products I can think of they've made since 2002 that I encountered weren't junk. My first BD-RE was a Sony disc. It died before 5 writes. The only BD-R I have ever had that failed a burn, not a Verify but a burn that weren't because the drive were dying were like 1 or 2 Verbatim and consistently Sony's. -
Seems lotsa errors by burning BD-R DL. What do they mean ?
dbminter replied to Jack5097's topic in ImgBurn Support
Also, do you have an image of the product you've been using, these Japanese discs? I've never used Verbatim BD-R DL, but my Verbatim BD-R are these: https://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-BD-R-25GB-Branded-Surface/dp/B00GSQ4DBM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1510335421&sr=8-1&keywords=verbatim+bd-r+25gb+6x+with+branded+surface+-+50pk+spindle+98397 I've had only like 1 or 2 failures that weren't dying drive related in the 5 years I've been using these. Of course, these aren't BD-R DL's. But, they do have blue branded surfaces. The Disc ID on the Japanese ones you've been using seems to be the same as all the Verbatim BD-R SL's I've ever used. So, it's kind of confusing, using the same Disc ID for different media formats. Thus, it's kind of hard to tell if you've got good stuff or not. I have no use experience with BD-R DL, so I can't really comment on how well they work or don't. Just a general consensus based on people's posting of their results with them. Seems like even the Verbatims have had a higher rate of failure. But, is it lower quality media or just cheaper/older/just not good BD drives? -
Seems lotsa errors by burning BD-R DL. What do they mean ?
dbminter replied to Jack5097's topic in ImgBurn Support
Wait, you say this last burn in the Pioneer failed Verify yet plays fine on the PC? I can see a PC playing a burned disc that passes Verify fine but a stand alone Blu-Ray player failing to play it. But, I cannot see a disc that fails Verify but plays fine on a PC. If you're going to try for a different kind of Verbatim, Verbatim does make a DataLifePlus BD-R DL. However, they're all label printable surface so they cost more. DataLifePlus is Verbatim's high quality brand of media. For instance, you get the DataLifePlus DVD+R DL and not the Life DVD+R DL if you want Verbatim's high quality DVD+R DL. I've never used Verbatim BD-R DL before in my Pioneer (Or ever.), only Verbatim/TDK BD-RE DL. So, it may be in your better interest to try the DataLifePlus series first. https://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-DataLifePlus-White-Inkjet-Printable/dp/B004HA8IQC/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1510331836&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=datalifeplus+bd-r+dl&psc=1 -
Seems lotsa errors by burning BD-R DL. What do they mean ?
dbminter replied to Jack5097's topic in ImgBurn Support
You really shouldn't downgrade the firmware unless you do experience problems with writing rewritable media. Interestingly enough, I did some tests yesterday on the 1.34 firmware. Since I discovered they don't make 8x DVD+RW media anymore, my Pioneer drive not writing to the Ritek versions properly is not an issue anymore. Once I go through the ones I have, that will be it. Except there's a seller on Amazon.com with 3 25 cake stacks left that I'll try to get some of. And I'll just use my LG or ASUS USB to write those. So, since 4x DVD-+RW is all you can get anymore, for the most part, I updated my Pioneer's firmware to 1.34 and tested my 4x DVD+RW and 4x DVD-RW. Those tests were fine on the 1.34. So, Pioneer only borked the write strategy for Ritek 8x DVD+RW. Or Ritek DVD+RW in general. I believe my 4x DVD-RW are Ritek, so it isn't a problem with all Ritek rewrtiable media. Maybe just Ritek DVD-RW or only just the 8x DVD+RW. One of my DVD+RW tests was to a Ricoh disc, and Ricoh makes Ritek. Anyway, I wouldn't worry about it unless you actually experience a problem writing to Ritek DVD rewritable media. First, you'll need to get the 1.33 firmware update package from firmwarehq.com for your drive. The best/easiest way to to do this is to right click on the Pioneer drive in the drop down list of available drives in Write mode and use the check for firmware update option at the bottom of the list of options. Then, from the web page that opens for your drive, download the proper 1.33 package for your drive. You may need to check the list of drives in the log that ImgBurn finds when it first opens to see what revision package ID string matches your drive. Then, open that .EXE in 7Zip and find the largest file inside the archive. Extract that file as it will be the firmware package. Open a Command Prompt and use the command: dvrtool -f <Drive Letter>: 132 where <Drive Letter> is the drive letter of the Pioneer drive you want to flash (Don't use the < or the >) as shown in Windows/File Explorer and 132 is the name of the firmware package you extracted in 7Zip. For instance, my 1.33 firmware package called the firmware file 132, even though the firmware is 1.33. -
It seems that the gradual death of optical media has begun to increase in rate of speed. Seems that 8x DVD+RW media can't be found online anymore. Google returned no stores selling 8x DVD+RW and Amazon.com had 1 seller offering only 3 25 disc cake stacks of Ritek 8x DVD+RW. Ritek already discontinued their 6x DVD-RW years ago. And they were only ever compatible in my tests with LiteOn drives. All other drives supported them, but always failed Verifies or simply never begun writing to the media. 4x DVD+RW is still available as of now. In fact, DataLifePlus, the higher quality, is still found on Amazon.com and on Verbatim's web store.
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Not sure why this is in Test. Should probably be in Chat. And I don't know what you mean by modality of writing, but I'll offer my suggestion. Go for a Pioneer model. Either the 209 or the 2209. I've had 4 2209 models and they've performed the best of all the BD writers I've used. Avoid ASUS's internal BD as it destroys rewritable media. Avoid LG's model as it claims to write to BD-RE DL media, and does, but rarely does it properly. If you get a Pioneer, be aware you may have to downgrade the firmware if it's 1.34 to 1.33. At least one type of rewritable DVD media was borked with 1.34.
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Seems lotsa errors by burning BD-R DL. What do they mean ?
dbminter replied to Jack5097's topic in ImgBurn Support
Yeah, I don't know if any older Blu-Ray players supported X/TL/QL media. In fact, as far as I know, standard Blu-Ray movies were never released in more than 2 layers. I think triple and quad layer BD-R was for backing up data only. It may have changed with 4K Blu-Ray now. Which means, of course, your Blu-Ray player would have to be a 4K player.