dbminter

I was thinking the same thing when I saw this. Why was it posted here? And that I also didn't think it was opencandy, but had no idea what it was. I also think one of the download mirrors was missed and some kind of advert was selected. Or one of the mirrors is serving up something it shouldn't be.

Ah, you did say software player. Hm, I read your post twice and both times failed to see that. I still think it was a poor decision not to enable DVD-5 or DVD-9 sized VIDEO_TS content to playback if you put it on a BD disc. And I think it would have been easier from a programming stance to just make players detect what folder contents are on a disc. Except for CD's, I'd guess, as I don't think there is an actual physical folder structure on audio CD's.

I know that doesn't work on the Playstation 3. I tried that, both putting VIDEO_TS in the root directory and trying to play a BD with a VIDEO_TS on it and also putting the VIDEO_TS in a subfolder structure. Trying to load the contents that way doesn't play on the PS3 either. It seems the PS3 actually checks for the physical type of media inserted and tries to play the contents based on the appropriate folder that should be on it. So, it seems the player has to be specifically programmed to open VIDEO_TS.IFO files in order to play them as the PS3 apparently doesn't. Well, I am talking about physical, stand alone, dedicated Blu-Ray players. If he uses PC software, he can play the VIDEO_TS.IFO contents from the Blu-Ray if the player supports opening .IFO files, like Media Player Classic Home Cinema.

There is no software I know of that does this for Blu-Ray. DVDReMake supposedly let you put 2 DVD's on 1, but I don't know how it did that. And that's only for DVD's. The closest you'll get is to use reauthoring software to remake the DVD contents into new streams for Blu-Ray content. However, you will lose all of the original DVD menus from the source DVD's.

The best test is a real world test. Pop the disc into a DVD player and test play every single option through to the end. If it plays fine, it should last fine. Granted, this isn't a fool proof test. However, I find all those fancy graphs to be highly overrated. I've rarely read one and even those I've read, I still don't understand what they really mean. I know high values aren't good, but WHY are high values not good? What exactly does a high jitter mean in terms of how well a disc will last? So, I don't follow the graphs at all. As for any testing, you can't say something will last for 1,000 years until a thousand years have passed. And since it's not practical to wait a thousand years, all those fancy tests merely simulate X amount of time of various conditions. Real world is the real deal, and they don't perform real world tests because, as I said, you can't wait 1,000 years to find the results because the item won't be "profitable" by that amount of time. And that's all they care about.

Well, they've been tested, but obviously not for a thousand years as 1,000 years haven't even passed since the development on the compact disc. What they've done is simulate the conditions of X amount of time before a failure and then multiplied it by the factor they experimented for. DOESN'T mean they'll last that long. They rarely do. Recordable DVD media was initially rated to last 100 years, but actual experience was some were failing at 10. So, whatever they say it will last for will most likely NOT last for that long. I'm pretty sure at 4x. I set my writes to Max, but what write rate you get is down to various factors beyond your control. I don't bother with jitter, etc. As long as it burns and passes Verify, I've rarely had a disc that wasn't readable afterwards. If they were unreadable, it was because they were junk media before I learned they were junk media. I use Verbatim DataLife Plus media so it does fairly well and I don't have to worry about all those confusing graphs. For instance, I only had 1 MKM Verbatim DataLife Plus DVD+R DL that had 1 unreadable sector years later after it passed burn and verify. The other DVD+R DL's that failed were because they were Ritek media and no good, as I later learned.

This is going beyond the scope of intent here, but a closed system in thermodynamics is any physical system that does not allow the transfer of energy or mass into or out of the system. I've always been a little confused on the subject because humans are closed systems, yet, if you ask me, we're constantly allowing heat out of our bodies. So, I don't see why we're closed systems. As for the mDisc since it doesn't allow mass or energy into or out of it that it retains, it's a closed system. Basically, the whole thermodynamics thing I was just using to say mDiscs do deteriorate because, in essence, "all" matter deteriorates because of the 2nd law of thermodynamics. It's why living organisms die. Every closed system in the universe is heading towards a state of chaos, and you cannot stop it. The best you can do is slow down the rate of decay. So, yes, mDiscs deteriorate. However, they deteriorate at a much less rate than organic dye based recordable discs. Dyes decay much faster because they're organic compounds. mDisc is, essentially, like using the laser to burn pits into stone. Stone will last much longer than organic dye, but even stone eventually decays. You can trust Milenniata as far as you can trust anyone. It hasn't been hundreds of years since the introduction of mDisc, so there's no way to verify their claims. I do know that the metallic oxide on BD-R's has been good for at least 5 years, since discs I burned 5 years ago are still readable. And BD-R will last longer than organic dye discs. So, mDisc should last longer than that. If you're really worried, then, just burn at 2x. It will take longer, but the burn should be "better" off in terms of being able to get a good read out of them. I've had no problems with 4x mDisc burns, but I've only burned like less than 5 of them. And I haven't had a need to restore data from them yet to test how good they are at being read.

Everything deteriorates. 2nd law of thermodynamics. However, mDisc is rated to last like 500 years, so it will outlive you. IF its estimated lifespan holds up. EDIT: Well, I shouldn't have said everything deteriorates according to the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Only every closed system deteriorates. Not every system is closed. For instance, people are a closed system, but the planet isn't.

The only way you'll tell if it's the inkjet DL media causing the problem is to get a Verbatim DataLife Plus branded surface disc online and see if the problem repeats. If it repeats, then there's either something wrong with the drive or that drive does not like MKM Disc ID discs.

Sometimes, a drive write can completely destroy the disc so much it CAN'T even be recognized as being inserted. So, a full format isn't even possible. That's the issue with the ASUS. The current EBK firmware does have a bork in it. Pioneer borked the writing to Ritek 8x DVD+RW. They always fail at the Verify stage. Even writing to the discs in other drives always fails on Verify or on playback UNLESS you fully format them in another drive. This may be the case with any DVD+RW or rewritable DVD in general. Maybe even rewritable media in general. Haven't tested it thoroughly yet. There hasn't been a firmware update to the Pioneer SATA drives since May. And they may have simply stopped support on new firmwares altogther.

Oh, don't worry, I won't be rough with you! We were all newbies once, and I try to remember that. As for bowing to my superior knowledge don't. I've only been using BD media for like 5 years now, so I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable in that field as I am with DVD media, which I've been using for 15 now. I only relate my experience and I always got what I think is that error. May not have always been the same error, though. I just know that all of the formats on my BD-RE in any drive have always produced an "error," and I believe it's the same one you got. (It's not technically an error. More like a notification.) There's always the chance that formatting in that first drive you used didn't do it right. That maybe it's dying/bad and isn't formatting correctly. Because of that, that "error" is carrying over to the other drive. I know some drives can completely bork a rewritable disc from being used at all after writing to them. ASUS's latest internal BD model totally destroyed the DVD+RW and BD-RE I threw at it. And it did this on 2 models I tested, so it's an inherent design flaw in the drive.

That unsupported format command, I would think, shouldn't have any bearing on the issue. It's unsupported on that drive so it was never executed. Therefore, it never did anything to the disc. If I remember correctly, that error means a "verify" of the format isn't performed on the disc. All of my Blu-Ray burners, LG, ASUS, Pioneer, and the one LiteOn that I had all didn't support that command. I've actually never seen a drive that performed it.

Verbatim does farm out to CMC for it's BD-RE SL now. I have physically verified this, too. The good news is CMC apparently doesn't do BD-RE DL or Verbatim would farm those out to them, too. Unfortunately, LG doesn't really support its firmware at all anymore. The last model they released hasn't had a firmware update in over 2 years. And it needs one. It's borked on Verbatim BD-RE DL inkjet printable discs, but is fine on the same Disc ID for Verbatim branded BD-RE DL. Pioneer had the same problem with Verbatim DVD+R DL. A firmware update finally fixed the issue. WHY the same Disc ID discs and the ONLY difference is the LABEL surface should matter is beyond me!

This seems familiar.

Something went wrong with the burn. I 16:12:18 Verifying Layer 1... (LBA: 1219488 - 2438975) W 16:12:24 Failed to Read Sectors 1220032 - 1220063 - Reason: L-EC Uncorrectable Error W 16:12:34 Failed to Read Sector 1220036 - Reason: No Seek Complete W 16:12:34 Sector 1220036 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts W 16:12:36 Retrying (1)... W 16:12:42 Retry Failed - Reason: No Seek Complete E 16:12:44 Failed to Read Sector 1220036 - Reason: No Seek Complete E 16:12:44 Sector 1220036 maps to File: \BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts E 16:12:45 Failed to Verify Sectors! The Verify failed, so the burn didn't write correctly, it seems. It seems to have failed at the layer change? It failed to read the contents on the 2nd layer, so that's probably why your DVD player can't play it. The burn didn't complete correctly. Either at the layer change or the 2nd layer itself wasn't burned correctly. Is this your first time burning DVD+R DL? If you've successfully burned them before, then your drive probably needs replacing. When drives fail at the layer break during a burn, it's either because your drive is dying or it doesn't like the discs it's trying to burn to. You're using Verbatim MKM media, which is the only reliable media out there. So, it's not like you're using cheap discs that fail all the time. So, it would seem either your drive doesn't like MKM media or it needs replacing. What kind of DVD+R DL are you using? Are you using inkjet printable surface? I've noticed you're using a Pioneer drive. I've learned from experience with Pioneer Blu-Ray burners that Verbatim DVD+R DL that were branded burned fine in them but Verbatim DVD+R DL that were inkjet printable surface, even though the Disc ID's were the SAME, failed in the drive until a firmware update came out that fixed the issue. Try to see if there's a firmware update for your drive. I looked and couldn't find your drive listed, so it may not have one. In Write mode, right click on the drive in the drop down list for targets to write to and select update firmware. Also, I fail to see how your DVD+R DL even plays at the first layer. You're apparently not burning VIDEO_TS contents. You said you were burning AVCHD content and your log mentions an M2TS file. This indicates me to me some kind of Blu-Ray content. Maybe these are files you're burning to disc that your player supports playback of? Because, natively, a player won't playback DVD+R DL DVD video contents unless they're on DVD media, a VIDEO_TS with a DVD recordable disc. So, unless your player supports native playback of .M2TS files, your player shouldn't be playing anything on DVD+R DL because you're not putting VIDEO_TS on it. If you're putting Blu-Ray contents on it, then you must use a Blu-Ray disc. However, if you're putting container files on the DVD+R DL and your player supports that format of container file for playback, natively, it will work.

I don't know anything about booktype settings. In fact, I didn't even know that each layer HAD an individual booktype setting so that one layer could be set one way and one layer another. LUK will have to answer that. As for what knowledge I can import, problems at the layer change are fairly common. The issue could be with either your burner or the DVD player. The DVD player may simply not like that Disc ID manufacturer and the laser can't read the 2nd layer. The burner may also not like that media. It may have successfully completed the burn but it doesn't mean it did it well. Is this your first time burning DVD+R DL discs? If not, have you had success burning that Disc ID before and playing them in your DVD player? Post the log of the burn and verify of this disc that is failing. Under Help, choose ImgBurn Logs to load the log file folder. Open the log file there and find the burn. If you haven't done any other operations in ImgBurn, the log will be right at the top of the file.

Got this on my first attempt to burn a DVD+R DL in my newest burner. I 13:04:45 Book Type Setting: N/A (Reason: Invalid Command Operation Code) I had one of these drives, an LG I 13:04:42 Destination Device: [0:0:0] HL-DT-ST BD-RE WH16NS40 1.02 (S:) (SATA) about 2 years ago. I burned DVD+R DL in them, but I don't recall ever seeing an entry about the book type setting failing before. Does the WH16NS40 simply not support Booktype settings? It may have always said that before and I just failed to notice.

I've learned you have to be careful with how drives are described online. I came across what I thought was a BD burner because it listed write speeds prominently. Closer investigation revealed the drive only read BD, not burned them. It was a DVD/CD burner, but not a BD writer. A combo drive.

Ah, that explains the Invalid Command error. It can't perform a write command because it's not a writer.

I don't have any experience with BD-R DL. I do have some Verbatim BD-RE DL. My LG doesn't like the inkjet printable ones Verbatim started making themselves. Before, Verbatim farmed them out to TDK, which the LG likes. The LG likes the SAME Disc ID on Verbatim's branded BD-RE DL. My Pioneer doesn't mind these inkjet BD-RE DL's from Verbatim. If the BD-R DL experience is the same experience as DVD+R DL, then only Verbatims are really any choice to go with. There's always a tricky issue when switching layers. Although I had no issues with the few TDK DVD+R DL's I tried. The Ritek DVD+R DL weren't reliable.

Memorex single layer BD-R would also, most likely, be Ritek media. Last time I bought their BD-R SL and BD-RE SL, they were Ritek. The PS3 didn't like the Ritek BD-R for playback, playing with skips and jumps in the video, sometimes skipping entire video streams on playback. If you can find it, try Verbatim BD-R. I know you can find those at Office Depot, and they're made by Verbatim. I use them all the time without an issue that wasn't caused by a dying/bad drive. If you have a problem with those, then it's most likely your drive that's the problem. Oh, wait, you said these Memorex were labeled Quantum? Labeled Quantum on the package? What's the Disc ID in the Disc Information? I've never used any of Quantum's labeled media, but it's probably cheap and could be a culprit, too.

I don't know of anything that does it for free. I use paid software, ConvertXToDVD.

Never heard of an Invalid Operation Code error before, so LUK will have to comment further on that. If I had to hazard a guess, your drive probably doesn't like the RITEK BD-R DL. Ritek DVD+R DL were problematic with users and my experience with them was more than half of the ones I successfully burned weren't readable 5 years later. People have a sort of 50/50 result with Ritek media, even the single layer, on their burners. RiData was even worse quality.

Yeah, TDK is a good brand. Even their DVD+R DL appears to be pretty good. It's the only non Verbatim DVD+R DL I've used where all the samples I had were still readable after 5 years. Really the only way you'll know other than putting the disc in is to get them online and read reviews where they list the Disc ID. Even then, the company can always change them. Like how Optodisc changed from its decent quality dye to CMC junk and lost my business forever.

Ritek media can be iffy with a lot of drives. I've never had a problem with burning Sony Ritek's, but your mileage may vary. I stopped buying them because Ritek media is 2nd tier at best and Sony makes mostly junk since 2002. I checked your log and am kind of surprised your Verbatims were made by Taiyo Yuden. TY stopped making media this year. I had never known Verbatim to farm out to TY. Not that that's a bad thing at all. TY made some of the best recordable CD and DVD media you could buy. However, Verbatim does farm out to CMC for some of its products, and CMC makes the worst recordable media you can buy.