Takeshi Posted August 27, 2006 Posted August 27, 2006 I've used ImgBurn 2 to burn five DL DVDs all successfully using Pioneer DVR111D and Verbatim media. Thanks for the program! I know you're supposed to choose the layer break when SPLIP is NO, but what's SPLIP? I can't find any info here or in Google. I should add that I've found it every helpful as reference, when the original DVD is available, to look at where the layer break is, in Mode>Verify. Then compare this with the choice(s) given during Build.
kevdriver Posted August 27, 2006 Posted August 27, 2006 Takeshi, splip is the seamless playback flag. "Seamless Playback Linked In PCI"
blutach Posted August 27, 2006 Posted August 27, 2006 Or what you might have known in the past as the "layer break" flag (it is generally set to non-seamless at the LB). Regards
Takeshi Posted August 27, 2006 Author Posted August 27, 2006 Thanks. Actually, I've noticed some of the original DVD's layer breaks are set at SPLIP=YES. Just an observation. But I'd use NO when building.
blutach Posted August 29, 2006 Posted August 29, 2006 This seamless playback at the layerbreak is experimental. You do see it occasionally on commercial DVDs, esp superbit. If your player(s) support it, it is good to use as it makes the layer break totally seamless. Regards
Takeshi Posted August 31, 2006 Author Posted August 31, 2006 I see. I haven't watched a superbit DVD. How do I know if my player support seamless layer break?
blutach Posted September 1, 2006 Posted September 1, 2006 Try it once! Only way to find out. All my players do - including the SONYs, so chances are that you may be in luck. Regards
Takeshi Posted September 3, 2006 Author Posted September 3, 2006 Sorry if it seems obvious, is this the presence or absence of slight pause when switching layers during play, or something else?
blutach Posted September 3, 2006 Posted September 3, 2006 Yes, it is that annoying pause when focus is shifting form layer 0 to layer 1. Make it seamless and chances are you will not experience it again. Regards
lfcrule1972 Posted September 4, 2006 Posted September 4, 2006 Cheers blu - I will give that a whirl too and see what my Sony's make of it !
Takeshi Posted September 6, 2006 Author Posted September 6, 2006 Thanks again. I've always assumed that is all hardware (DVD player) related.
Dolt Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 So, SPLIP shoould be NO which I only guess since it was rated higher but now I think I know what it mean BUT if a .IFO is available they seem to rated excellent as well yet the SPLIP flag is N/A or something. Am I still OK on a non-seamless player if O use that option. Also, what a LU ???
LIGHTNING UK! Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 Indeed, 'SPLIP = No' means the cell is already marked as 'non seamless'. This is typical of the layerbreak cell. If it's saying N/A, that means the layer break item you're looking at is probably the start of a file (so it would say the filename in the VTS column). LU stands for Language Unit. If the layer break would being the *_0.VOB file, that means it's part of a menu. The IFO data for those areas is broken down into LU's AND THEN PGC's (per LU). Normal IFO data for (non menu) VOB data is just broken down into PGC's. The seamless options do not apply to items when SPLIT = N/A. If you ever examine an IFO in IfoEdit you'll probably see what I mean.
blutach Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 Maybe I'm an old timer but SPLIP sounds like some drunken sod with a slipped disk. "Layer break" makes more sense to me (and the ROW, I suspect). Regards
calweycn Posted September 28, 2006 Posted September 28, 2006 Actually, I've noticed some of the original DVD's layer breaks are set at SPLIP=YES. Just an observation. But I'd use NO when building. If you have no problem playing those DVDs past the layer break, why wouldn't you want to use the seamless layer break option? It's becoming more common. All SuperBit titles use it. This includes stuff like Closer, Panic Room, Adaptation, Punch-Drunk Love, and other DVDs that are ONLY available as SuperBit. Many Criterion DVDs use seamless layer break, as I've noted - Naked, Videodrome, Naked Lunch, Bad Timing, The Man Who Fell To Earth, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Also, some Manga DVDs, like Ninja Scroll: 10th Anniversary. I've never heard about people having problems with these titles. Most will not notice any layer change. It will play smoothly, as it should. If you do seamless layer break, I suggest using PGC Edit also. Edit the main movie's PGC to take out any cell commands before the layer break. They can cause your player to pause or even lock up if they aren't removed. I think they force the player to empty its cache, even if the layer is flagged as seamless joint.
Kenadjian Posted September 29, 2006 Posted September 29, 2006 I really don't understand all this plava about layer breaks, I've NEVER experienced any pauses skips at these points, seamless or otherwise.
blutach Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 That's unusual Ken. The LB is very noticeable on may DVDs (particularly earlier ones which didn't really care too much about aesthetics). Regards
Kenadjian Posted September 30, 2006 Posted September 30, 2006 I reckon it might be age related blu. But honestly, is a one second skip/pause worth all this trouble? When you read all the shit involved about this subject, it's bigger than Ben Her.
blutach Posted October 1, 2006 Posted October 1, 2006 Well, it's nice not to have it. First time I experienced a LB pause I took the DVD back! Copped it again and finally read the fine print on the cover. After that, I became an anti-LB crusader! Another close Grand Final mate Regards
dbminter Posted October 1, 2006 Posted October 1, 2006 What I hate are when you apply certain size reduction techniques that are supposed to remove the LB's but don't. So, there's no way to know until you test them. Then, you have to manually edit the IFO's and take them out.
Kenadjian Posted October 1, 2006 Posted October 1, 2006 Another close Grand Final mate Regards[/color] Too bloody close mate, 1 point win, can't get much closer than that, last time that happend was in 1966 with my beloved Saints.
dontasciime Posted October 4, 2006 Posted October 4, 2006 Was the answer not cos there are no chairs ?
dbminter Posted October 4, 2006 Posted October 4, 2006 Well, it's nice not to have it. First time I experienced a LB pause I took the DVD back! Copped it again and finally read the fine print on the cover. After that, I became an anti-LB crusader! Another close Grand Final mate Regards It also seems to depend on the player. On some, I've seen no indication of the layer break. But, the Playstation 2, proving yet again, as if it needed any, that it's a pretty shitty player all but stops the DVD to play a little tune: "HERE'S THE BREAK!"
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