dbminter Posted February 25, 2020 Posted February 25, 2020 There's a new update to Virtual CloneDrive, 5.5.1.0, just released. It might affect several users of ImgBurn. I know it does me since I use it. It's been a few years since the last update.
Ch3vr0n Posted February 26, 2020 Posted February 26, 2020 Me too and it causes problems. Using "ElbyCDIO" under "File I/O" results in IMGBurn "failure to lock for exclusive access Reason: The sytem cannot find the file specified." Reverting to 5500 doesn't fix the issue. and i'm not changing file IO.
dbminter Posted February 26, 2020 Author Posted February 26, 2020 I use the apparent default, SPTI. It always worked for me, so I never had a need or desire to try anything else.
Ch3vr0n Posted February 26, 2020 Posted February 26, 2020 I had problems where it would report incomplete or incorrect info in the explore info. Already informed elby. Awaiting response.Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk
dbminter Posted February 26, 2020 Author Posted February 26, 2020 Where/when do you see this error message you described in ImgBurn? I'll see if I can replicate the issue on my end.
Ch3vr0n Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 The second you click on burn, just before it actually starts burning data. Imgburn 'locks' the drive so it can't be accidentally ejected during the burning. (Which afaik is possible with Microsoft's SPTI io)Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk
dbminter Posted February 27, 2020 Author Posted February 27, 2020 I can verify it's a bug in the Elby driver. I got the same result. Switching back to SPTI still worked.
Ch3vr0n Posted February 27, 2020 Posted February 27, 2020 Care to elaborate where/what/how? I can then relay that to elby.Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk
dbminter Posted February 27, 2020 Author Posted February 27, 2020 I created a CD sized DVD Video image with Build and then used Write to write that image to a Ritek 8x DVD+RW. Here's the log: I 11:13:12 Microsoft Windows 10 Core x64 Edition (10.0, Version 1909, Build 18363) I 11:13:12 Total Physical Memory: 16,579,480 KiB - Available: 8,686,440 KiB I 11:13:12 Initialising SPTI... I 11:13:12 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 11:13:12 -> Drive 1 - Info: ELBY CLONEDRIVE 1.4 (N:) (SCSI) I 11:13:12 -> Drive 2 - Info: HL-DT-ST BD-RE BU40N A102-01 (K:) (RAID) I 11:13:12 -> Drive 3 - Info: ELBY CLONEDRIVE 1.4 (L:) (SCSI) I 11:13:13 -> Drive 4 - Info: HL-DT-ST BD-RE WH16NS60 1.02 (R:) (USB 3.0) I 11:13:13 -> Drive 5 - Info: ELBY CLONEDRIVE 1.4 (Q:) (SCSI) I 11:13:13 Found 3 BD-ROM/HD DVD-ROMs and 2 BD-RE XLs! W 11:13:25 I/O Interface has been changed! I 11:13:25 Shutting down SPTI... I 11:13:25 Initialising ElbyCDIO... I 11:13:26 ELBYCDIO.DLL - Elaborate Bytes CDRTools - ElbyCDIO DLL - Version 6.1.9.2 I 11:13:26 ELBYCDIO.SYS - CDRTools - ElbyCD Windows x64 I/O driver - Version 6.1.3.0 I 11:13:26 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 11:13:26 -> Drive 1 - Info: HL-DT-ST BD-RE BU40N A102-01 (K:) (RAID) I 11:13:26 -> Drive 2 - Info: ELBY CLONEDRIVE 1.4 (L:) (SCSI) I 11:13:26 -> Drive 3 - Info: ELBY CLONEDRIVE 1.4 (N:) (SCSI) I 11:13:26 -> Drive 4 - Info: ELBY CLONEDRIVE 1.4 (Q:) (SCSI) I 11:13:26 -> Drive 5 - Info: HL-DT-ST BD-RE WH16NS60 1.02 (R:) (USB) I 11:13:26 Found 3 BD-ROM/HD DVD-ROMs and 2 BD-RE XLs! I 11:13:42 Operation Started! I 11:13:42 Building Image Tree... I 11:13:44 Corrected file system selection for DVD Video disc. I 11:13:44 Corrected UDF revision selection for DVD Video disc. I 11:13:44 Calculating Totals... I 11:13:44 Preparing Image... I 11:13:44 Contents: 7 Files, 2 Folders I 11:13:44 Content Type: DVD Video I 11:13:44 Data Type: MODE1/2048 I 11:13:44 File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02) I 11:13:44 Volume Label: [Not Configured] I 11:13:44 IFO/BUP 32K Padding: Enabled I 11:13:44 Region Code: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 I 11:13:44 TV System: NTSC I 11:13:44 Size: 40,785,920 bytes I 11:13:44 Sectors: 19,915 I 11:13:44 Image Size: 41,418,752 bytes I 11:13:44 Image Sectors: 20,224 I 11:13:44 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:01 I 11:13:45 Operation Started! I 11:13:45 Building Image Tree... I 11:13:47 Calculating Totals... I 11:13:47 Preparing Image... I 11:13:47 Contents: 7 Files, 2 Folders I 11:13:47 Content Type: DVD Video I 11:13:47 Data Type: MODE1/2048 I 11:13:47 File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02) I 11:13:47 IFO/BUP 32K Padding: Enabled I 11:13:47 Region Code: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 I 11:13:47 TV System: NTSC I 11:13:47 Size: 40,785,920 bytes I 11:13:47 Sectors: 19,915 I 11:13:47 Image Size: 41,418,752 bytes I 11:13:47 Image Sectors: 20,224 I 11:13:48 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:02 I 11:13:48 Operation Started! I 11:13:48 Image Contents: 7 Files, 2 Folders I 11:13:48 Image Sectors: 20,224 (MODE1/2048) I 11:13:48 Image Size: 41,418,752 bytes I 11:13:48 Image Single Layer Profile: DVD-R/RW (Media Capacity: 2,297,888) I 11:13:48 Image Volume Set Identifier: 505B59B600004EE0 I 11:13:48 Image Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn I 11:13:48 Image File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02) I 11:13:48 Destination Free Space: 874,760,036,352 Bytes (854,257,848.00 KiB) (834,236.18 MiB) (814.68 GiB) I 11:13:48 Destination File System: NTFS I 11:13:48 File Splitting: 4 GiB I 11:13:49 Writing Image... I 11:13:49 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:00:01 I 11:13:49 Average Write Rate: 40,448 KiB/s (29.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 40,448 KiB/s (29.9x) I 11:14:33 Operation Started! I 11:14:34 Source File Sectors: 20,224 (MODE1/2048) I 11:14:34 Source File Size: 41,418,752 bytes I 11:14:34 Source File Volume Set Identifier: 505B59B600004EE0 I 11:14:34 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn I 11:14:34 Source File File System(s): ISO9660, UDF (1.02) I 11:14:34 Destination Device: [0:2:0] HL-DT-ST BD-RE BU40N A102 (K:) (RAID) I 11:14:34 Destination Media Type: DVD+RW (Disc ID: RICOHJPN-W21-01) I 11:14:34 Destination Media Supported Write Speeds: 3.3x, 6x, 8x I 11:14:34 Destination Media Sectors: 2,295,104 I 11:14:34 Write Mode: DVD I 11:14:34 Write Type: DAO I 11:14:34 Write Speed: MAX I 11:14:34 Link Size: Auto I 11:14:34 Lock Volume: Yes I 11:14:34 Test Mode: No I 11:14:34 OPC: No I 11:14:34 BURN-Proof: Enabled E 11:14:47 Failed to lock drive for exclusive access. E 11:14:47 Reason: The system cannot find the file specified. E 11:14:50 Operation Aborted! - Duration: 00:00:13 I 11:14:50 Average Write Rate: N/A - Maximum Write Rate: N/A W 11:14:58 I/O Interface has been changed! I 11:14:58 Shutting down ElbyCDIO... I 11:14:58 Initialising SPTI... I 11:14:58 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices... I 11:14:58 -> Drive 1 - Info: ELBY CLONEDRIVE 1.4 (N:) (SCSI) I 11:14:58 -> Drive 2 - Info: HL-DT-ST BD-RE BU40N A102-01 (K:) (RAID) I 11:14:58 -> Drive 3 - Info: ELBY CLONEDRIVE 1.4 (L:) (SCSI) I 11:14:59 -> Drive 4 - Info: HL-DT-ST BD-RE WH16NS60 1.02 (R:) (USB 3.0) I 11:14:59 -> Drive 5 - Info: ELBY CLONEDRIVE 1.4 (Q:) (SCSI) I 11:14:59 Found 3 BD-ROM/HD DVD-ROMs and 2 BD-RE XLs! I'm not entirely sure what the extra log entries are for, but it's all there somewhere. Both the image creation and the attempted write. I removed some identifying log lines, though.
dbminter Posted February 28, 2020 Author Posted February 28, 2020 There's a new update, 5.5.2.0, but it's change log is a little odd: Fix: Bug introduced in 5.5.1.0, ElbyCDIO did not work with Windows Server OS, Windows XP, Windows Vista It doesn't mention this specific issue we've encountered on Windows 10. So, it may still be present in this new version.
dbminter Posted February 28, 2020 Author Posted February 28, 2020 I just tested my installation of 5.5.2.0 and, on my machine, it DOES fix the locking drive for exclusive access failing issue 5.5.1.0 introduced. So, you should test it on your end and make sure it now works after updating to 5.5.2.0.
Ch3vr0n Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 way ahead of you. Fixes this too No more error message. btw ElbyCDIO > SPTI
dbminter Posted February 28, 2020 Author Posted February 28, 2020 Except when they introduce bugs into new versions.
Ch3vr0n Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) Well considering the last release (before the buggy 5510) was in 2016. I can live with 1 tiny bug every 4 years But for me personally, these are the main 2 reasons for using ElbyCDIO over SPTI 1. SPTI CANNOT lock drives for exclusive use (meaning if you accidentaly hit the eject button, which on occasion happens in my triple drive setup) the disc burning process would be interrupted and the disc ejected. With the elby driver, that can't happen. The drive gets locked for use until burning is completed and the drive released. You can manually hit eject all you want, it aint happening. 2. SPTI requires admin rights and above on NT/2000/XP/Vista.. 21 hours ago, dbminter said: Info: HL-DT-ST BD-RE BU40N A102-01 (K:) (RAID) That's another reason, this won't happen with elby driver. You can't (RAID) an optical drive :p btw you the same dbminter over at the redfox forums? Edited February 28, 2020 by Ch3vr0n
dbminter Posted February 28, 2020 Author Posted February 28, 2020 I knew SPTI allowed for "soft" locks. Meaning you couldn't eject the locked access drive with a Windows/File Explorer Eject context menu command, but I wasn't aware it didn't not fully lock the physical eject method. Yes, ever since I got a Dell XPS 8930 a year and a half ago, I've wondered how an optical drive can be set up in a RAID configuration. It still says RAID on the Elby I/O interface option, though. And, yes, I am the same dbminter on the AnyDVD forum. I think I use the same nick on the ConvertXToDVD forum, too. And Macrium Reflect forum.
Ch3vr0n Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 (edited) well the elby driver "locks" the drive entirely. No amount of pressing the eject button will kick the disc out, (havent actually tried the content menu, but i doubt it will do it). As to the raid thing, perhaps something in the bios, DELL bios's are hardly ever optimized as they should (eg, instead of using AHCI, they're often set in IDE mode for hard drives) As to your handle, well i guess you own the postcount here, over on the redfox forums i do. Don't know about our shared VSO forums, and i hardly ever visit the MR ones . btw any chance of implementing HTTPS kinda mandatory under the GDPR @LIGHTNING UK! Edited February 28, 2020 by Ch3vr0n
dbminter Posted February 28, 2020 Author Posted February 28, 2020 I have relatively few posts on the Redfox and VSO forums as compared to here and the Reflect forums.
LIGHTNING UK! Posted February 28, 2020 Posted February 28, 2020 The physical eject button/tray lock is a command you send to the drive, it has nothing to do with the locking abilities of the I/O interfaces. Both interfaces are, unless buggy, perfectly capable of gaining exclusive access to the drive and preventing other apps from trying to use them at the same time. Apart from when I'm testing a different interface for something specific, I'm always on SPTI. ElbyCDIO is great for XP and avoiding the need for admin rights, but XP also went EOL a long time ago.
dbminter Posted February 28, 2020 Author Posted February 28, 2020 I decided not to switch back from Elby just to give it a go and see what it's like. If there's an issue, I'll switch back. And, when the next Windows 10 is released, I'll be restoring down my 1909 installation image, updating it, and saving a new Windows 10 image. That will restore the I/O back to SPTI anyway, if I don't do it in the meantime.
ssjkakaroto Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Kinda off-topic but I remember there was a split in Elaborate Bytes, now you have https://www.elby.ch/products/vcd.html and https://www.redfox.bz/en/virtual-clonedrive.html and both show the same version of VCD. Do you guys know if there's any difference between the two?
Ch3vr0n Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 You remember wrong. It's the same application, redfox just hosts the download. Vcd is exclusively developed and maintained by elaborate bytes.Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk
dbminter Posted April 30, 2020 Author Posted April 30, 2020 Redfox probably just hosts Virtual CloneDrive because of how it often goes hand in glove with its products. How sometimes you need virtual drives to mount DVD images for testing/viewing. Also, I believe Redfox hosts CloneCD, CloneDVD, and CloneBD, but those are Elby products.
Ch3vr0n Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 Ah yes, they were SlySoft before.No they weren't. Slysoft got shut down by authorities. 'being something before' implies a simple name change. That's not the case here.Former staff took started up redfox, after losing their slysoft job and restarted development on anydvd Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk
ssjkakaroto Posted April 30, 2020 Posted April 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, Ch3vr0n said: No they weren't. Slysoft got shut down by authorities. 'being something before' implies a simple name change. That's not the case here. Former staff took started up redfox, after losing their slysoft job and restarted development on anydvd Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk Then wikipedia is wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RedFox
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