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If I had to hazard a guess, this is the cause: I 19:47:53 Destination Media Type: BD-RE (Disc ID: CMCMAG-CN2-000) CMC Magnetics makes the worst discs out there. So, it's either bad discs or your drive doesn't like those. The problem is Verbatim does use CMC for some of its media, including its BD-RE. I don't use Verbatim BD-RE for that reason. I use Memorex BD-RE because they use Ritek, which aren't the best either, but better than CMC. However, I don't know if Memorex still makes BD-RE or not. I haven't shopped for any in years.

There's an option somewhere in ImgBurn where it excludes certain files from creating in an image file in Build mode. One of those files is Thumbs.db. While this is essentially a dummy, useless file, I do have the desire to no longer want ImgBurn excluding files me. Where is the option to change to disable the exclusion of files? Thanks!

After posting the Log, you may want to see if these Verbatim BD-R DL are the branded kind, the kind with white and blue text labels on the discs. If they are, you may want to invest in the DataLife Plus inkjet printable BD-R DL. Last year, I discovered a disturbing trend where the branded Verbatim BD-R might have become junk after a decade of solid quality. So, I tried the DataLife Plus discs, which are Verbatim's higher quality discs and had no more issues. Now, the DataLife Plus discs will cost more because they only come in the printable variety. It's a feature I'll never use, but I'm willing to pay for the higher quality, particularly since that's probably the ONLY option.

Yes, I have personally seen cases where in DVD burners, CD's burned fine but DVD+R DL's did not. And DVD-R's were fine but not DVD+R DL's because DL's consume more laser power.

I would hazard a guess that you just happened to have had an exact opposite issue, as you pointed out. As you also pointed out, there are 2 lasers in a BD burner: one for CD and DVD and the 2nd for BD. So, your first drive's blue laser probably played out and the replacement burner you got had no problem with its BD laser but does have a problem with the red laser for CD/DVD. And, with the red laser, CD's can be fine, but DVD's not, or the other way around.

Ah, yes, I did overlook you had said that before. My apologies. Then, the most logical explanation would be to examine how long you've been using this drive. If it's been some time and/or has burned an awful lot of discs, it could have reached the end of its life. The only other explanation I can arrive at is something I have seen before from Verbatim. A running production change may have occurred to the MKM DVD+R DL and your ASUS's firmware no longer likes them. The only solution to that is for a firmware update, and no one updates their firmware anymore.

I went over the Log and the only thing I can think to ask is if you're using one of the XBox friendly DVD burners. I believe for XBox copies to work, you need to burn the DVD+R DL's in one of a type of drives from a specific list of DVD burners. I've never had any XBox systems so I'm only going by memory and what I've read.

The point I was trying to make is you cannot put DVD Video VIDEO_TS on a recordable BD and get it to play in a Blu-Ray player. Sony specifically denied that in the specs for Blu-Ray players last I heard. As you said, you can reauthor Blu-Ray Video to DVD Video with things like what I use which is ConvertXToDVD. I've had Verbatim coasters before, but those were almost all the failure of a dying drive. I had 1 Verbatim BD-R go bad on me before switching away from the branded Verbatim BD-R junk now, but, again, that was a dying drive. That burn had a Read error that was fixed on Retry in what turned out to be a dying drive. I replaced the drive and manually performed a Verify on the BD-R and it was okay. So, it all seemed fine until 7 years later when it came time to read that BD-R back in and it was partially unreadable. I had one Verbatim DataLife Plus DVD+R DL go bad on me. Shortly after burning, it was partially unreadable when it wasn't the obvious fault of a dying drive. Memorex BD-R had playback issues on the Playstation 3. I'd put in a homemade disc someone sent me where they insisted on putting a copyright warning at the beginning, even though none of the material was copyrighted. The PS3 would skip that warning on the Memorex BD-R he sent me. When I started seeing other skips of title sets on the discs, I suspected a read problem with Ritek Memorex BD-R and the laser in my PS3, so I copied them to Verbatim BD-R. No skips of title sets on Verbatim BD-R. Which was why I used the branded Verbatim BD-R for about 10 years before getting those 2 bad batches, where I lost some stuff I couldn't recover just a few days after it was saved. So, now I use the DataLife Plus Verbatim BD-R, even though I don't need the printable surfaces, but the DataLife Plus BD-R is only available with those inkjet printable surfaces.

You're welcome! Yeah, most problems we see on this board are caused by CMC junk media. And, most of those problems clear up when people use quality media, like the Verbatim DataLife Plus/AZO kind. It isn't a 100% cure all but it fixes most issues.

The problem is the player does have to be programmed to allow accepting the file inputs from the optical discs. More often times than not, the programmers just allow Blu-Ray Video to be read from BD discs. It's like with DVD Video. For some stupid reason, Sony lets you put Blu-Ray Video on DVD discs but not DVD Video on Blu-Ray discs! NO one would do the first, but the 2nd has merit. Not only do BD-R have coating that resists many scratches, they also can resist fingerprints and even, and I've tested this, Sharpie ink! So, having DVD Video on a resilient BD-R makes complete sense. Plus, BD-R is burned metal oxide as opposed to the organic dye of recordable DVD, so they last must longer. Yes, as long as you get the DataLife Plus BD-R. My experience with 3 batches of the branded Verbatim BD-R indicate they're no longer the quality they used to be. The first batch, burns and Verifies would complete, but be unreadable after a few days. The 2nd batch was fine. The 3rd batch wouldn't even complete Writes. While it's always possible I just happened to get 2 bad batches close together over the course of half a year, it is more likely CMC just crapped out on their Verbatim branded BD-R.

But it doesn't matter if the player doesn't natively support playing the files from an optical disc like it might from a flash drive. However, as you say, I like having optical disc archives, too. So, you could put these albums on BD-R XL discs as well as on flash drives.

You may want to investigate if your 4k Blu-Ray players support playing these albums from a flash drive. If there's a USB port on the player and the unit supports reading large enough flash drives, you could get a 128 GB or 256 GB one and it would do the same job as the BD disc. In fact, the flash drive would have more room. My LG Blu-Ray player supports MP3, FLAC, AAC, and other formats and it reads in from my 1 TB flash drive. So, I could probably store my entire CD collection as lossless containers on that thing.

I've never tried burning any BD-R XL discs with anything on them, so I don't know if my LG 4K Blu-Ray player would playback FLAC from it. I know my LG will play them from a flash drive as I've done that before. I don't know if it supports playing audio containers from optical discs, though.

Well, it may be dependent on what you're trying to do. You mentioned putting audio content on these discs. Were you attempting to put MP3's or other audio container files on these discs and expect to play them natively from the BD-R XL disc in your player? If so, your player may not natively support playing MP3's from optical discs. It may only play them from flash drives.

It shouldn't matter. The file system type is generally independent of the media size when it comes to optical discs. (Older file system types, though, generally ARE, but should not be here with UDF 2.50 and 2.60.) However, I would recommend the 2.50 if your primary concern is getting these MP3's/whatever container format to be recognized on a standalone Blu-Ray player. Using the older one should be more compatible universally with hardware.

I don't think it's necessarily obvious that the ASUS BW-16D1HT is a rebadged LG. The primary indication that leads me to believe it's more than just an LG drive with custom firmware is how long the ASUS lasts. I've had it 1.5 years now and it still works. The LG WH16NS40 and NS60 generally all needed replacing after 7 months of usage for me. And I used the NS60 nearly 10 years, I think.

If you are using a laptop burner, that would be a slim model drive. Slim model drives, in general, are absolutely terrible writers.

Yeah, I think it was over a year ago that LG stopped manufacturing NS60's. I got two refurbished ones in reserve from around that point.

Actually, you just told me what I needed to know from the logs. You're using the Life Series DVD+R DL from Verbatim, which means they're CMC Magnetics media. As you've found out, those are the worst quality discs out there. I was going to check the Log for a Disc ID that said CMC. If it did, I was going to recommend the DataLife Plus Series or AZO Verbatim DVD+R DL's. That's where I'd start first to troubleshoot your issue.

Can you find the log portion of the burn and copy and paste that here? You can access the Log under Help --> ImgBurn Logs. In the meantime, no, it is far from normal to take an hour to verify a dual layer disc. Unless you're verifying a BD-RE DL. That theoretically could. However, it's definitely not normal to take 10 minutes on layer 0 and then over an hour on layer 1. Also, what did you burn? A DVD+R DL? An 8x DVD+R DL will Verify in like 15 minutes total at the most. It may be possible to skip the Verify, but it's not recommended. In the meantime, you could try to Read that disc, however, I feel the same thing as what you experienced with the Verify will happen. However, if it did complete the Read within a reasonable amount of time, that is a good indication the burn was okay. Not as thorough as a Verify, though, but it's a good sign.

I remember the NS60, at least, would complete burns to Verbatim BD-RE DL, unlike the NS40 which would fail 9 times out of 10. However, I don't think the NS60 was very good at it because the BD-RE DL's I were using were yearly backup discs. I'd go after writing a backup 1 year to reusing the same disc a year later and the burn would fail to complete writing. Now, could be just terrible BD-RE DL's on Verbatim's part, but I doubt it. They were the kind you could only find in Japan, with the Japanese writing on the packaging.

I'd not heard of the WH16NS58. Last I had heard, LG had discontinued the WH16NS60, leaving only the NS40. Which was a shame as last I used the NS40, it did not properly write to DL BD media, whereas the NS60 did. I used to use the NS60 exclusively over the NS40 for that reason. I still have 2 NS60's in reserve. There aren't even any listed firmware updates for the WH16NS58 on LG's web site.

ASUS's BW-16D1HT is not an LG drive as far as I can tell. Hm, I hadn't checked on the WH16NS40 for a while on Amazon, but there are only a few resellers charging WAY too much for it when for the same price you can get ASUS's better drive. And something called the WH14NS40 is available from a few resellers at ridiculously worthless prices, too.

Well, unfortunately, it's getting worse. Pioneer pulled out of the optical disc burner market altogether, basically leaving only 2 big name players in the business: ASUS and LG. As for CMC, it could be worse. I sunk about $2,000 chasing bad burns with new discs, burners, and DVD video recorders before I stumbled across the existence of CMC somewhere else. So, I checked the discs that had worked fine for years, and, sure enough, OptoDisc changed manufacturers to CMC, which was the cause of the problem. Once I switched to the good Verbatim DVD-R from Mitsubishi (The MCC kind. NOT the CMC kind.), the problem resolved itself.

I would blame the cheap CMC discs. I 12:25:08 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: CMC MAG-D03-64) CMC Magnetics makes the worst optical disc media out there. I'm actually more amazed your burn COMPLETED and Verify PASSED with CMC media than just outright failing, failing to complete burn, or failing to complete Verify at the layer change. The only viable option for DVD+R DL is the Verbatim DataLife Plus/AZO ones. NOT the Life Series DVD+R DL you find in brick and mortar stores. Those are the CMC crap. The DataLife Plus/AZO are the MKM media made by Mitsubishi. And those you generally only find in online stores like Amazon.com.