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Oh, I see what you're saying. You're getting skips, pauses, hisses, and pops at the layer break change. And, most likely, regardless of where you set the layer break, it happens? That's because you're probably using cheap DVD+R DL discs. Pixelation and freezes at the layer change are generally the result of using cheap discs. Try the DataLifePlus Verbatim MKM DVD+R DL I mentioned. You're probably using the Verbatim Life Series DVD+R DL? Those will be CMC Magnetics, the bottom of the barrel disc manufacturer. Now, if you are using the good stuff, then the cause is generally a write problem. Either your drive doesn't like those kinds of Verbatim or the drive has reached the end of its life and needs replacing. A log of one of these DVD+R DL burns would help.

If they all say Average, just pick one. It doesn't really matter where the layer break goes unless you don't have seamless layer breaks. Because depending on where the layer break goes, if it's not seamless, you'll get a pause in the playback. And if there's dialogue there, the audio will pause. Don't use Verbatim Life Series. They're CMC Magnetics, which is junk media. The only reliable DVD+R DL media (I'm guessing you're using DVD+R DL?) is Verbatim's DataLifePlus, which you can only find online. When you say you used the next quality up of Verbatim, what exactly does that mean? If they're not DataLifePlus MKM media, then it will probably still not be good. The pauses at the layer break are caused by layer break pauses. When you set the layer break, choose Seamless Layer Break. Now, sometimes, leftover layer break pauses are in the video. Or added by the authoring software that made the VIDEO_TS. I learned this the hard way. 10 years ago, I burned a bunch of them, not knowing about seamless layer breaks. Had to burn about 20 or so all over again without layer break pauses. If after setting Seamless Layer Breaks you still get pauses at the layer break, you can use DVDShrink to get rid of the layer breaks. Doesn't always work, though, and you need to resort to IFOEdit. However, if you don't know what you're doing, you shouldn't mess around with IFOEdit to remove layer breaks. Believe it or not, some layer breaks are necessary. For instance, there's apparently a layer break pause at the end of every video stream, if IFOEdit is to be believed. In the list of layer break positions, if you're offered to add a layer break at a .BUP file, I recommend choosing that. Barring that, choosing an .IFO file for the layer break. Generally, more often than not, you're only offered .VOB files in the list.

Have you been using the same burner drive for the past 10 years? If so, it's probably a case of your issue where the drive has reached the end of its life. Definitely after 10 years. Either way, it's probably just coincidence that it happened when you updated ImgBurn. If it worked before, there's little reason to believe updating ImgBurn would bork something. It should, most likely, not be a waste of money to get the quality media. Besides, in the US, it's only like $20 for 50 of them. Plus, it could be a case where the disc manufacturer has changed the "formula" for the media and it's no longer the same quality it used to be. Optodisc used to make a quality DVD-R I stood by for a while. Then, they switched to CMC and lost my business. Half of the discs were coasters, and those Optodisc CMC media first introduced me to how cheap CMC media causes all kinds of errors.

Two pieces of new information have come to light since this thread was started. One, there is a 1.03 firmware update for the drive, released about 2 weeks ago, but as far as I know, it doesn't fix any of the problems it still had, after testing it. I think 1.03 is ONLY a fix to prevent people from copying UHD Blu-Ray discs. It seems this update was only one mandated by Hollywood and does nothing to address the inherent flaws in the drive. If you're still willing to try LG drives, some rather odd behavior has been revealed with ImgBurn, ISO's, and LG drives. I didn't discover this, but I've tested it and the workaround does work. If you absolutely don't need to burn from an ISO, try the Write files to disc option from the EZ Mode Picker. I've tested it and it seems to work. If you use an ISO with ImgBurn on an LG with Verbatim BD-RE DL and BD-R DL, it will fail Verify at the layer change 9 times out of 10. However, the 3 tests I ran with the EZ Mode Picker method worked flawlessly. So, I created an ISO with ImgBurn, but I didn't use ImgBurn to burn the ISO. I used Roxio NXT 4 to burn the ISO and it completed without error. I then ran an ImgBurn Verify manually on the disc against the contents and the Verify completed successfully. I did 3 other tests this way and they all performed flawlessly. I then did a compare on the contents and they were written correctly. However, be aware of the drawbacks to this method. If you have a corrupt file during the burn process or a read occurs during copying, then the burn will fail and you've wasted a disc. Or the burn may succeed and the contents were written corrupt to the disc. You should always write to ISO files first IF you have the luxury of doing so. So, if you really want to write ISO's to Verbatim BD-R/E DL in an LG, then use the EZ Mode Picker to Write files to disc without creating an ISO. Or, if you have an ISO made by ImgBurn or any other application, don't let ImgBurn burn the ISO to a Verbatim BD-R/E DL in an LG. It makes absolutely no sense, but it has been independently verified by myself, multiple times, and by someone else who pointed this out to me. So, it's repeatable. However, if you replace the LG with a Pioneer, this should most likely definitely solve your problem. Not a guarantee as the last Pioneer I had was borked out of the box. As for getting help from LG, good luck. I've pointed out to LG for like 3 years of the problems with this drive. They don't care. However, at the time, I didn't realize the ImgBurn problem was isolated to just ImgBurn. But, there are other problems with the LG. For instance, what takes about 2 hours to write contents to a formatted BD-RE DL as a giant floppy in my Pioneer takes 9 hours to write just the FIRST LAYER! And it won't even write contents to the 2nd layer! Returns a error saying it cannot read the files from the "source drive." It's NOT an error reading from the source drive; it's an error writing the contents to the 2nd layer! I wouldn't use LG at all if it weren't for the fact that Pioneer and ASUS don't write Ritek 6x DVD-RW. (The LG won't write Verbatim 6x DVD-RW! Idiots!) And the borked firmware of the Pioneer 1.34 won't write to Ritek 8x DVD+RW. Once my supply of Ritek 6x DVD-RW and 8x DVD+RW are exhausted (You can't get 8x DVD+RW or 6x DVD-RW anywhere on the Internet anymore! ) I will replace the LG with another Pioneer.

Yeah, my experience has been they're both the same size, and I think they were designed to be that way. I never formatted with spare areas, so I never noticed a difference between BD-R and BD-RE.

My experience has been that Sony quality is pretty low. It used to be pretty high. Then, they switched to 2nd tier Ritek. Now they're back to their own brand, it seems, but, IMO, Sony has made little but junk since 2002. The screenshots don't do much to help. We'll need the log of the failed burn. Under Help, choose ImgBurn logs. Find the failed burn entry in the .log file and copy and paste everything related to that burn. In general, my experience with Invalid field in CBD errors is caused by a drive and media incompatibility. Either your drive doesn't like that Sony brand of DVD-R or the DVD-R may be a cheap disc. LUK can probably tell you more from the log. Just in a general evaluation, I'd say try Verbatim DataLifePlus DVD-R and see what results you get. NOT Life Series. Life Series is Verbatm's junk media. You can generally only find DataLifePlus media online. However, it is the best quality media out there. Oh, LUK replied while I was typing.

It would be nice to see that feature again, but it's probably beyond the extent of ImgBurn. If we just go by its name, technically, the application should only burn images. The fact that it can create images it can burn is even a little bit beyond its initial function. Don't get me wrong; I'm glad ImgBurn can create images! But anything beyond burning images is really just gravy. I could something with an IFO feature, myself. For processing DVD's I make with my stand alone DVD recorder, converting my old camcorder tapes to DVD's.

Yeah, if the 4x doesn't work for you, try investing in the best discs to begin with, to rule out any media issues. The best out there is Verbatim's DataLifePlus media which you'll only find online. Do NOT get the Life series, which you'll find online and also in brick and mortar stores. They will be CMC Magnetics, the worst manufacturer out there.

Ah, NOW I see why LG released a firmware update for this drive after 3 years of inactivity. It appears they were forced to. This update apparently only patches some ability that the drive used to be able to rip UHD discs. Yeah, don't do anything like fix incompatibility issues with media or anything like that.

Depends on the non-Verbatim DVD-R you get. If you get a cheap one, it could be made by CMC Magnetics. CMC causes about half of the problems we see on this board. Verbatim is most likely not the problem. If you get the DataLifePlus media Verbatim makes, it's the best stuff out there you can find. Your DVD+RW was an MKM Verbatim, which is Mistubishi made. And they make the best stuff out there. It's most likely just a case of your LG drive not liking MKM DVD+RW. Like how my LG doesn't like Verbatim MKM 6x DVD-RW but my Pioneer and ASUS do. And you could probably still use DVD+RW. Just get some 4x ones, which is all they make anymore. 4x DVD+RW will most likely have a higher drive compatibility than 8x.

Yeah, another manufacturer of DVD might solve the problem. Or, depending on the maker and your drive, could open a new avenue of problems. Plus, if you went to write once media, like DVD-R, you'd probably have a better chance of compatibility. Again, depends on the manufacturer and your drive. However, a write once media will last longer than a DVD+RW, so there's the added longevity. And DVD+RW might have a higher incompatibility rate with a stand alone DVD player versus a DVD-/+R.

My guess is it's a Verbatim rewritable disc? It seems LG drives might be pretty bad at writing them. 5 LG BD drives I've had don't like Verbatim BD-RE DL, always failing at the layer change, and they fail Verify on Verbatim 6x DVD-RW. Try this if you're attempting to burn an image file to these DVD+RW. It might work. Don't write to an image file but in EZ picker mode, try Write files/folders to disc. Try burning those same files/folders to the same disc in the same drive, but with EZ Pick mode's Write files/folders to disc. I've discovered that if ImgBurn burns an ISO to a Verbatim BD-RE DL in my LG drive, it will fail the Verify. If I use Write files/folders to disc, the Verify doesn't fail. It's not a guaranteed solution, but it's worth a try. I never got a chance to test my 6x Verbatim DVD-RW, but this does work on Verbatim BD-RE DL. In fact, if another application writes the image file, it doesn't fail in the LG. And a manual Verify run from ImgBurn against the file passes, too. I can't take credit for this. Someone else experiencing my same issues discovered this workaround. And I've discovered it worked for me, too. Doesn't mean it will work for Verbatim DVD+RW, but it's worth a shot. Have you had those 8x DVD+RW for a while? Last I checked, Ritek was the only manufacturer making 8x DVD+RW anymore. And they stopped. I bought the last 3 cake stacks that were on Amazon.com. And I haven't found any 8x DVD+RW anywhere online with Google. If bypassing the image file doesn't work, it may be those discs just aren't supported by your LG drive properly. Notice how it doesn't accept the maximum write speed of 8x for that media in that drive. Now, bypassing the image file has its own drawbacks. If there's a read error during the write, it could be copied over to the target disc and the resulting files may be corrupt on the disc. So, be sure to test the files afterwards to make sure they were written properly.

Yeah, I remember when I first encountered a case where a Cancel didn't cancel and I selected Cancel again. And it bitched at me! I had to laugh out loud at it, too. It's always nice to see a good sense of humor.

A little late with my annual, cynical tradition. Unfortunately, I've pretty much exhausted my choices for songs. I'm not sure I've done this one, yet, but I think going forward, most of what I'll copy and paste will be repeats. Anyway, here's A Christmas Carol by Tom Lehrer: Christmas time is here, by golly, Disapproval would be folly, Deck the halls with hunks of holly, Fill the cup and don't say "when." Kill the turkeys, ducks and chickens, Mix the punch, drag out the Dickens, Even though the prospect sickens, Brother, here we go again. On Christmas day you can't get sore, Your fellow man you must adore, There's time to rob him all the more The other three hundred and sixty-four. Relations, sparing no expense'll Send some useless old utensil, Or a matching pen and pencil. "Just the thing I need! How nice!" It doesn't matter how sincere it Is, nor how heartfelt the spirit, Sentiment will not endear it, What's important is the price. Hark the herald tribune sings, Advertising wondrous things. God rest ye merry merchants, May ye make the yuletide pay. Angels we have heard on high Tell us to go out and buy! So let the raucous sleigh bells jingle, That hail our dear old friend Kris Kringle, Driving his reindeer across the sky. Don't stand underneath when they fly by.

Well, looks like I never got a chance to test out the Verbatim 6x DVD-RW Roxio write test in the LG. Roxio crapped out at the verify stage and when I tried to eject the disc with ImgBurn, it said a long write was in progress. The drive light kept flashing, so it was caught in a loop. Only thing for it was powering off the PC. Inserting the disc in either my Pioneer or LG caused the drive light to flash infinitely, so the disc was borked. It either had reached the natural end of its life just conveniently at the time I needed it for testing or Roxio NXT 4 destroyed it. Either way, it's moot because that was the only Verbatim 6x DVD-RW I had. At least, that I could find.

I wonder if Roxio is doing writes with the bit set to verify not required. That that is why it's not crapping out. Although if it was a Write issue, it would still be bad data on the disc. And my Reflect verify tests bear out that that is not the case. Have to fault Roxio for one thing, though. With my Pioneer Ritek 8x DVD+RW test, it encountered a Verify error, as I guessed it would. Instead of reporting it to the user or cancelling the operation, the entire Roxio burning application just crashed! I did an ImgBurn manual Verify and it crapped out right at the start of the Verify, like it always does on that media on the 1.34 Pioneer firmware.

Ah, the story of my damn life. No wonder it's not worth living. Because I needed a failure, I got the one time out of 10 where Verifiy completed! An hour and 25 minutes wasted. And I'm not going to waste any more time on this. I have a solution that works for me: not use ImgBurn to burn BD DL,media from ISO files in an LG drive and use my Pioneer to do that. I will still perform the verify in Macrium Reflect on the contents because I believe the only time this worked before, Verify completed with no errors, but the contents were not verifiable in Reflect. Unexpectedly, verify in Reflect passed with no errors. So, it's a somewhat random issue, with more failures than successes. Now, it could be I just got 3 random good results in a row. However, I performed 2 on the fly writes and 1 Roxio write with no Verify errors in ImgBurn and 2 out of 3 ISO writes with Verify failures in ImgBurn.

What's the difference between the two commands? Is one, like write(10), for writing to Layer 0 and the other for writing to Layer 1? Probably not because what would then be the command to write Layer 2 or Layer 3 for BD TL and QL?

Oh, trust me, I'm not denying there's any difference in the two implementations. But, you can't deny the results, which are different. Well, as I said, you can't deny the results until I finish this test and see if it's a Write or Verify issue. It could be a Verify against the contents issue versus a Write issue. Because there is no verify against the contents in an on the fly write as there's no image file to compare against. However, since it always fails at the layer change, that's indicative of a Write issue. What I'm doing now is a write of a 32 GB ISO of verifiable contents in another application that will spread across the 2 layers. ImgBurn is writing this ISO to a Verbatim BD-RE DL in the LG. It should fail Verify at the layer change. And, I'm hoping it does. What I don't want right now is a random Verify that succeeds. Because I want to manually issue a Verify of the contents against the ISO in my Pioneer to see if it fails Verify. If there's a Verify fail in the Pioneer at the layer change, it's a Write issue in the LG's. As I said, whatever this issue is boils down to how LG is interpreting the commands sent by ImgBurn when burning the layer change. The LG isn't handling them correctly. Because at least one other application, Roxio NXT 4, does seem to be sending a different implementation of commands to the drive that the LG "likes" better than ImgBurn's. As I also said, ImgBurn just sends write commands to the drive and it's up to the drive to interpret how those commands are received. However, we have seen in the past cases where a "certain other 15 year old application" writes just weren't liked by some drives but tolerated by other application's writes.

That's what I would think. But, you can't deny empirical results from 2 different users. For whatever reason, burning from an ISO file to Verbatim BD-R DL and BD-RE DL in an LG drive with ImgBurn causes an error at the layer change. I can't explain it but I can't deny it exists. Actually, I shouldn't say that for sure without one other test. Burning an ISO with ImgBurn in an LG and performing a manual Verify of the ISO on that disc in my Pioneer. It may be an issue in the actual Verify on an LG versus the Write. I would say it's more of an issue of the Write versus a Verify, though. I will perform that test and post my results.

Well, this was illuminating. After Roxio NXT 4 wrote the image, I did a verify of the contents in the other application. The files passed verify on both layers. So, I performed a manual Verify of the ISO that Roxio NXT 4 burned with ImgBurn, with verification against contents in the ISO file. ImgBurn Verify passed! So, the inescapable conclusion is there's something going wrong when ImgBurn switches layers writing Verbatim BD DL media in an LG drive when it's burning an ISO file. I can't see why that would happen, but it sure seems to be the case. Verify doesn't fail when ImgBurn doesn't write the ISO. ImgBurn Verifies pass when an on the fly write is performed on these media in an LG drive. So, what could be going wrong with writing from an ISO file to a Verbatim BD DL disc in an LG drive with ImgBurn? I realize ImgBurn only burns what it's given. And it only sends commands to drives. How the drive interprets those commands isn't up to ImgBurn, I know that. But, what could be the cause in this case? It is repeatable as I never burned anything but ISO's with ImgBurn in the LG before with Verbatim BD DL media. And it happened on 2 different Dell machines, and the OP's machine. And it happened on 2 different kinds of LG drives in my tests, with about 10 burns tested in the past. My LG drive also fails when writing ISO's to Verbatim 6x DVD-RW. I wonder if I repeated this test with Roxio NXT 4 as the writer of the image file in my LG and used ImgBurn to perform a Verify on it if it would pass? Something to try if I can remember do it. Another thing to ponder. For a year, I've been saying Pioneer borked writing to Ritek 8x DVD+RW with its 1.34 firmware. ImgBurn always failed Verify on them. I think I'll try the Roxio NXT burn/ImgBurn manual Verify test in that scenario. See if it's ONLY the firmware writing these discs that causes the problem. So, it seems my initial advice I've been giving people over the years is incorrect. LG drives apparently aren't lousy writers when it comes to Verbatim BD DL media. They're just lousy at interpreting the commands ImgBurn sends them when it writes an ISO file to that media, it seems. No, I can verify (HA!) that the firmware IS borked in the Pioneer. Roxio NXT failed right at the start of Verify as did ImgBurn when Verifying the contents.

I wrote another set of data that was about 32 GB that I could perform a verify of the contents on in another application. If it was going to fail at the layer change, this verify in the other application would fail to read the file. The verify on all files across both layers ended correctly, so the data was written properly by ImgBurn when done on the fly and not a Verify against an ISO file's contents. Next, just to see what kind of results I get, I'm going to use UltraISO to create a BD-50 image with the same contents as above. These types of burns I always create with UltraISO but burn with ImgBurn in my Pioneer drive to Verbatim BD-RE DL because the Verifies always failed on the LG. I'll use UltraISO or something else to burn the image in the LG drive to a Verbatim BD-RE DL. Then, I'm going to use ImgBurn to perform a Verify of the contents it didn't burn against the ISO file it created. See if that fails at the layer change. If it doesn't fail at the layer change, then it would seem that, for whatever reason, the ISO files aren't being written correctly by ImgBurn to Verbatim BD-R DL and BD-RE DL at the layer change. EDIT: Couldn't use UltraISO for burning. I forgot that most of its features don't work right. The only thing I've found it does right is that it will inject files properly into existing images, which is helpful for adding files to bootable images. The only feature I use it for. I've started the burn with Roxio NXT 4.

Well, I'll be damned! I tried an on the fly burn of a BD-50 contents (30 GB) in my LG with a Verbatim BD-RE DL and it successfully passed the Verify! Now, this could be a fluke. I had 1 in 10 test burns of BD-RE DL in the LG that passed Verify, but the contents were corrupted on the disc. I need to perform another test to make sure the contents are good. LUK, my question here is: why would an on the fly write Verify pass but a Verify of an ISO with verifying against the contents in the ISO file fail? And always at the layer break?

I'd be curious to see the results of an ISO burn on this new LG drive. I think it's just coincidence. If it works on the fly, it should work on ISO. Burning from an ISO should make no difference as to whether a burn will fail Verify or not. If it were an ISO issue, it would fail on Pioneer as well. Unfortunately, I can't do that. The only DL media I burn have to be bootable. So, I need to edit a bootable ISO with UltraIISO to inject files into it.

I still reiterate my idea that LG drives just are terrible with BD DL media. Try a Pioneer and I think that will probably fix your issue. Can't guarantee it, of course. As has been said, there really isn't much that can be done at this point beyond that. Your LG drive is returning generic errors that don't help much. Or it's returning the wrong errors. Even if it was returning wrong errors and you fixed that issue, I still doubt that would fix your BD DL issue. Experience has taught me that LG's just aren't reliable for writing BD DL media.