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Media:
maxell DVD-RSS Plus Series 8X DVD-R [MXL RG03]
Burnt With:
BENQ DVD DD DW1650 BCIC (ATA)
PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111L 8.29 (ATA)
PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-111L 8.29 (ATA) @8X
HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GSA-H22N 1.00 (ATA)
BENQ DVD LS DW1655 BCIB (ATA)
Scanned With:
BENQ DVD LS DW1655 BCIB (ATA)
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Interesting, thanks for passing it along.
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Couldn't tell ya XrXca, I'm in Alberta
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I know, I know, buy good disks, until now I've had phenominal results with the Sony's, but they were YUDEN disks, I've put the package labels side by side, but other than an almost unreadable number beside the UPC code there is no difference on the labels, and other than the etched? number on the center hub which is not visible in the sealed package there is no visible difference between the disc themselves. So what's a poor defenseless consumer to do?
If you look on the paper label that comes around the spindle, the SONY MID discs will show Made in Taiwan, and the YUDEN discs will be Made in Japan. I've had 100% success with this on Sony 1-8X -R's & 1-8X +R's.
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Unfortunately those discs are that "touchy", sometimes they work, sometimes not. They won't burn @1X as that isn't a speed rated by them, newer 16X discs often aren't rated at lower than 4X. Don't worry about O@P-!-00, some discs just show up that way. Michel Deboer's NEC firmware site show's your 1.80 firmware, so you should be fine.
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If you slow down the burn to 8X or even 4X, you "may" get them to work. Spinners advice is best though, get some better media. The good thing is, it's not really anymore money than poor, in N.A. that is anyway.
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http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=4392
You won't go wrong with this guy, and is easily crossflashed to a 111 or even a 111L. BestBuy calls it the DVR-710 B5BK, but that's actually just a retail version of the 111D, save yourself some money and buy an OEM version. On another note, sorry my Roughriders beat up your Argos, well no I'm not
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Hope you have a grand day Mate!!
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I agree wholeheartedly. Strange thing is, CMC makes the good Verbatims, yet can't make a good one of their own to save their life.
Your Kidding of course........ aren't you.
I never knew that ! As you say then, that begs the question, if CMC can make dye for top media like Verbatim, then why the hell can't they do it for themselves. Would make more sense to capture a bigger share of the market by making good quality CMC MAG discs and selling for a bit higher price then to settle for a lower end of the market by producing cheap crappy dyes for there own labeled discs........... 
Afraid it's quite true. CMC makes the good Verbs, Prodisc makes some quite sketchy ones (here in NA that is, Europe has MBIL thrown in the mix). Couple ways to tell them apart, one involves the serial number stamped in the plastic near the hub on the disc itself (which of course involves buying them first), the other believe it or not involves the font used on the spindle tub lids for Lock and Open.
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Happy Birthday Dude!
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The Pioneer 111D is an excellent drive and can be found quite cheap. If you can find a BenQ 1650 or 1655 they too are excellent, and can also be used for quality scanning.
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Pioneer is showing 1.58 as the latest firmware for the 109, is yours a hacked firmware? Anyway, looks like you might just have got a bad disc, which is very rare for Verb MKM-001-00 discs, but not unheard of. If you send it back to them, they will honor their lifetime warranty and send you a replacement.
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99% of the time that's a poor media problem. If you could copy the info from the top right window (in ImgBurn) when you have one of the discs in the drive, and post it here, we'll know what kind of blanks they are.
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@ BillB, I misunderstood that you were having trouble with Verb media, not Sony, hence why I asked for the serial #.
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"Hans, Hans, Hans! We've been frew this a dozen times. I don't have any weapons of mass destwuction, OK Hans?"
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If you could post the serial number from the bottom of the disk BillB, the one that 's very small and on the clear part of the hub and also nearest to the hub, not the one on the edge of the dye. That will tell us whether your Verbatims are made by Prodisc or CMC(assuming your in North America, if your in Europe they could also be made by MBIL in India). There are starting to be problems with Prodisc made Verbs, CMC's seem excellent so far.
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HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GSA-H22N 1.00 (ATA)
Media Information:
HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GSA-H22N 1.00 (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD+R DL
Disc Information:
Status: Empty
Erasable: No
Free Sectors: 4,173,824
Free Space: 8,547,991,552 bytes
Free Time: 927:32:74 (MM:SS:FF)
Supported Write Speeds: 4x
DVD?R DL Boundary Information:
L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,086,912
Changeable: Yes
Physical Format Information (ADIP):
Disc ID: RITEK-D01-01
Book Type: DVD+R DL
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 2
Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,519
Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Disc ID: RITEK-D01-01
Book Type: DVD+R DL
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 2
Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,519
Results:
I 21:35:22 ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 started!
I 21:35:22 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
I 21:35:22 Initialising SPTI...
I 21:35:22 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 21:35:41 Found 2 DVD?RWs and 2 DVD?RW/RAMs!
I 22:21:43 Operation Started!
I 22:21:43 Source File: -==//[DISCOVERY IMAGE]/==-
I 22:21:43 Source File Sectors: 4,173,824 (MODE1/2048)
I 22:21:43 Source File Size: 8,547,991,552 bytes
I 22:21:43 Source File Volume Identifier: DISCOVERY_IMAGE
I 22:21:43 Source File File System(s): None
I 22:21:43 Destination Device: [1:0:0] HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GSA-H22N 1.00 (F:) (ATA)
I 22:21:43 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RITEK-D01-01) (Speeds: 4x)
I 22:21:43 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824
I 22:21:43 Write Mode: DVD
I 22:21:43 Write Type: DAO
I 22:21:43 Write Speed: MAX
I 22:21:43 Link Size: Auto
I 22:21:43 Test Mode: No
I 22:21:43 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 22:21:43 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,086,912
I 22:21:43 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: ECC Block Boundary
I 22:21:43 Filling Buffer...
I 22:21:43 Writing LeadIn...
I 22:22:00 Writing Image...
I 22:22:00 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2086911)
I 22:35:28 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 2086912 - 4173823)
I 22:48:30 Synchronising Cache...
I 22:48:54 Closing Track...
I 22:48:55 Finalising Disc...
I 22:49:24 Exporting Graph Data...
I 22:49:25 Graph Data File: C:\DVDInfoPro Scans\HL-DT-ST_DVD-RAM_GSA-H22N_1.00_9-29-2006_RITEK-D01-01_MAX_DISCOVERY_IMAGE.ibg
I 22:49:25 Export Successfully Completed!
I 22:49:25 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:27:41
I 22:49:25 Average Write Rate: 5,250 KB/s (3.8x) - Maximum Write Rate: 5,602 KB/s (4.0x)
I 22:49:25 Cycling Tray before Verify...
W 22:49:35 Waiting for device to become ready...
I 22:50:06 Device Ready!
I 22:50:06 Operation Started!
I 22:50:06 Source Device: [1:0:0] HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GSA-H22N 1.00 (F:) (ATA)
I 22:50:06 Source Media Type: DVD+R DL (Book Type: DVD-ROM) (Disc ID: RITEK-D01-01) (Speeds: 4x)
I 22:50:06 Image File: -==//[DISCOVERY IMAGE]/==-
I 22:50:06 Image File Sectors: 4,173,824 (MODE1/2048)
I 22:50:06 Image File Size: 8,547,991,552 bytes
I 22:50:06 Image File Volume Identifier: DISCOVERY_IMAGE
I 22:50:06 Image File File System(s): None
I 22:50:07 Verifying Sectors...
I 23:02:15 Exporting Graph Data...
I 23:02:15 Graph Data File: C:\DVDInfoPro Scans\HL-DT-ST_DVD-RAM_GSA-H22N_1.00_9-29-2006_RITEK-D01-01_MAX_DISCOVERY_IMAGE.ibg
I 23:02:15 Export Successfully Completed!
I 23:02:15 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:12:01
I 23:02:15 Average Verify Rate: 11,577 KB/s (8.4x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 16,856 KB/s (12.2x)
I 00:48:17 Close Request Acknowledged
I 00:48:17 Closing Down...
I 00:48:17 Shutting down SPTI...
I 00:48:17 ImgBurn closed!
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LG GSA-H22N
in Chat
erm not really, didn't tell her I'd ordered it, and snuck it in the house
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LG GSA-H22N
in Chat
Thanks Ken.
I've decided this drives a keeper. Does a very nice job (IMO) on the media I use for personal archiving (Taiyo & Verb). Only "quirks" I've noticed so far is write speeds on crap media, ex those Fuji DL's (RITEK D01-01 dye) the only speed it will burn them at is 4X, no 2.4 (although strangely did a good job on them, will add it to the media section/Fujifilm DL's). Also picked up some Maxell 16X -R's for testing (RITEKF1 dye) and it will only zap them at 4X, once again not important to me.
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BENQ DVD LS DW1655 BCIB (ATA)
Media Information:
BENQ DVD LS DW1655 BCIB (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD+R DL
Disc Information:
Status: Empty
Erasable: No
Free Sectors: 4,173,824
Free Space: 8,547,991,552 bytes
Free Time: 927:32:74 (MM:SS:FF)
Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x
DVD?R DL Boundary Information:
L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,086,912
Changeable: Yes
Physical Format Information (ADIP):
Disc ID: RITEK-D01-01
Book Type: DVD+R DL
Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 2
Track Path: Opposite Track Path (OTP)
Linear Density: 0.293 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 16,580,607
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 2,283,519
Results:
I 07:17:35 Operation Started!
I 07:17:35 Source File: -==/\/[DISCOVERY IMAGE]\/\==-
I 07:17:35 Source File Sectors: 4,173,824 (MODE1/2048)
I 07:17:35 Source File Size: 8,547,991,552 bytes
I 07:17:35 Source File Volume Identifier: DISCOVERY_IMAGE
I 07:17:35 Source File File System(s): None
I 07:17:35 Destination Device: [1:1:0] BENQ DVD LS DW1655 BCIB (G:) (ATA)
I 07:17:35 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RITEK-D01-01) (Speeds: 2.4x)
I 07:17:35 Destination Media Sectors: 4,173,824
I 07:17:35 Write Mode: DVD
I 07:17:35 Write Type: DAO
I 07:17:35 Write Speed: MAX
I 07:17:35 Link Size: Auto
I 07:17:35 Test Mode: No
I 07:17:35 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 07:17:35 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2,086,912
I 07:17:35 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: ECC Block Boundary
I 07:17:35 Filling Buffer...
I 07:17:36 Writing LeadIn...
I 07:18:02 Writing Image...
I 07:18:02 Writing Layer 0... (LBA: 0 - 2086911)
I 07:40:49 Writing Layer 1... (LBA: 2086912 - 4173823)
I 08:04:06 Synchronising Cache...
I 08:04:07 Closing Track...
I 08:04:08 Finalising Disc...
I 08:05:24 Exporting Graph Data...
I 08:05:24 Graph Data File: C:\DVDInfoPro Scans\BENQ_DVD_LS_DW1655_BCIB_9-18-2006_RITEK-D01-01_MAX_DISCOVERY_IMAGE.ibg
I 08:05:24 Export Successfully Completed!
I 08:05:24 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:47:48
I 08:05:24 Average Write Rate: 3,021 KB/s (2.2x) - Maximum Write Rate: 3,387 KB/s (2.4x)
I 08:05:24 Cycling Tray before Verify...
W 08:05:36 Waiting for device to become ready...
I 08:05:50 Device Ready!
I 08:05:50 Operation Started!
I 08:05:50 Source Device: [1:1:0] BENQ DVD LS DW1655 BCIB (G:) (ATA)
I 08:05:50 Source Media Type: DVD+R DL (Book Type: DVD-ROM) (Disc ID: RITEK-D01-01) (Speeds: 2.4x)
I 08:05:50 Image File: -==/\/[DISCOVERY IMAGE]\/\==-
I 08:05:50 Image File Sectors: 4,173,824 (MODE1/2048)
I 08:05:50 Image File Size: 8,547,991,552 bytes
I 08:05:50 Image File Volume Identifier: DISCOVERY_IMAGE
I 08:05:50 Image File File System(s): None
I 08:05:50 Verifying Sectors...
I 08:21:16 Exporting Graph Data...
I 08:21:16 Graph Data File: C:\DVDInfoPro Scans\BENQ_DVD_LS_DW1655_BCIB_9-18-2006_RITEK-D01-01_MAX_DISCOVERY_IMAGE.ibg
I 08:21:16 Export Successfully Completed!
I 08:21:16 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:15:21
I 08:21:16 Average Verify Rate: 9,063 KB/s (6.5x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 16,462 KB/s (11.9x)
I 19:19:34 Close Request Acknowledged
I 19:19:34 Closing Down...
I 19:19:34 Shutting down SPTI...
I 19:19:34 ImgBurn closed!
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I found that Verbatim 50- and 100-packs do not have the same quality as 25-packs. PIEs are twice as much and PIFs are 6-13
times as much. In short, crappy media. BenQ's Qscan tests also SHOW that the
Verbatim 25-packs have lower errors than 50s and 100s.
I'm skeptical of that. I have 25's, 50's & 100's(Verbatim) in my larder, and I can't scan a difference. I find it extremely hard to believe that a company producing 10's to 100's of thousands of discs a day (or more) is going to take the time to produce different quality discs and then not charge more for them and/or not label them as such.
Maxell DVD-RSS Plus Series 8X DVD-R [MXL RG03]
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Posted
BENQ DVD DD DW1650 BCIC (ATA)
Media Information:
BENQ DVD DD DW1650 BCIC (ATA)
Current Profile: DVD-R
Disc Information:
Status: Empty
Erasable: No
Free Sectors: 2,298,496
Free Space: 4,707,319,808 bytes
Free Time: 510:48:46 (MM:SS:FF)
Supported Write Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 8x
Pre-recorded Information:
Manufacturer ID: MXL RG03
Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Book Type: DVD-R
Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: Not Specified
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track
First Physical Sector of Data Area: 196,608
Last Physical Sector of Data Area: 0
Last Physical Sector in Layer 0: 0
Results:
I 20:28:40 ImgBurn Version 2.1.0.0 started!
I 20:28:40 Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
I 20:28:40 Initialising SPTI...
I 20:28:40 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 20:28:40 Found 2 DVD?RWs and 2 DVD?RW/RAMs!
I 20:30:15 Operation Started!
I 20:30:15 Source File: -==/\/[DISCOVERY IMAGE]\/\==-
I 20:30:15 Source File Sectors: 2,298,496 (MODE1/2048)
I 20:30:15 Source File Size: 4,707,319,808 bytes
I 20:30:15 Source File Volume Identifier: DISCOVERY_IMAGE
I 20:30:15 Source File File System(s): None
I 20:30:15 Destination Device: [0:0:0] BENQ DVD DD DW1650 BCIC (D:) (ATA)
I 20:30:15 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: MXL RG03) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 8x)
I 20:30:15 Destination Media Sectors: 2,298,496
I 20:30:15 Write Mode: DVD
I 20:30:15 Write Type: DAO
I 20:30:15 Write Speed: MAX
I 20:30:15 Link Size: Auto
I 20:30:15 Test Mode: No
I 20:30:15 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 20:30:16 Filling Buffer...
I 20:30:16 Writing LeadIn...
I 20:30:39 Writing Image...
I 20:38:52 Synchronising Cache...
I 20:39:21 Exporting Graph Data...
I 20:39:21 Graph Data File: C:\DVDInfoPro Scans\BENQ_DVD_DD_DW1650_BCIC_10-24-2006_MXL_RG03_MAX_DISCOVERY_IMAGE.ibg
I 20:39:21 Export Successfully Completed!
I 20:39:21 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:09:05
I 20:39:21 Average Write Rate: 9,324 KB/s (6.7x) - Maximum Write Rate: 11,106 KB/s (8.0x)
I 20:39:21 Cycling Tray before Verify...
W 20:39:31 Waiting for device to become ready...
I 20:39:44 Device Ready!
I 20:39:44 Operation Started!
I 20:39:44 Source Device: [0:0:0] BENQ DVD DD DW1650 BCIC (D:) (ATA)
I 20:39:44 Source Media Type: DVD-R (Book Type: DVD-R) (Disc ID: MXL RG03) (Speeds: 2.4x, 4x, 8x)
I 20:39:44 Image File: -==/\/[DISCOVERY IMAGE]\/\==-
I 20:39:44 Image File Sectors: 2,298,496 (MODE1/2048)
I 20:39:44 Image File Size: 4,707,319,808 bytes
I 20:39:44 Image File Volume Identifier: DISCOVERY_IMAGE
I 20:39:44 Image File File System(s): None
I 20:39:45 Verifying Sectors...
I 20:44:54 Exporting Graph Data...
I 20:44:54 Graph Data File: C:\DVDInfoPro Scans\BENQ_DVD_DD_DW1650_BCIC_10-24-2006_MXL_RG03_MAX_DISCOVERY_IMAGE.ibg
I 20:44:54 Export Successfully Completed!
I 20:44:54 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:05:04
I 20:44:54 Average Verify Rate: 15,171 KB/s (11.0x) - Maximum Verify Rate: 22,527 KB/s (16.3x)
I 20:46:00 Close Request Acknowledged
I 20:46:00 Closing Down...
I 20:46:00 Shutting down SPTI...
I 20:46:00 ImgBurn closed!