dbminter

What I don't understand is something I've had happen a few times. A burn will complete without errors, it will Verify without errors, yet the disc is unreadable. You insert it into a player and it won't recognize. And when I insert it back into an optical drive to try and check the disc, the optical drive light flashes forever, meaning the disc is not readable. I've never understood that one.

I've also had weird cases where ImgBurn would have 20 Retries failing to read a bad sector, and I'd tell it to keep trying. It would Retry a few more times, read a few more KB of data, and then run out of Retries and ask again. I'd eventually tell it to just keep trying without bugging me and though it would be super slow, a few KB at a time, it would eventually extract the bad sectors. And the data would be fine when played back.

I've had weird cases where I HAD to make a copy of a DVD I bought in order to play it. Panasonic stand alone DVD players don't like to play some DVD's. Like Day Of The Animals and Captain Power Disc 4. They simply don't recognize they've been inserted. But, if you make a copy of them, the Panasonic plays do play them. I've had 2 Panasonic stand alones that did this. And I've read other reports of people with the Captain Power boxed set who can't play Disc 4 on their Panasonic DVD players.

Yeah, I had an entire cack stack of 50 DVD-R's rated at 16x that only burned at 8x. The rest burned at 16x. For whatever reason, that one half was all capped at 8x. I've never had that happen again. Go figure.

What I can't understand is a burn that completes, a Verify that completes, and the disc is STILL unreadable. Yes, I've had that happen before. I also fail to see how a burn can complete but the Verify fails. I would think if the data is corrupt when it's written, why doesn't the write fail? For instance, on DVD+R DL's, when drives fail, they will write them fine but fail Verify at the layer change. But, that's the nature of the beast.

Could be down to how each of the different drives in the different PC's "reads" the data? Maybe one drive does some kind of data reading that the other doesn't? As long as the discs read to an image, I wouldn't be too worried about differing CRC's. If you're really worried, then watch the discs' contents in a DVD player. If they play fine, then I wouldn't worry. There are so many other things in life to worry about.

The easiest solution is use a DVD+/-R DL or a BD-R. If this ISO is bootable, and as a Windows install disc it should be, then spanning across multiple discs probably won't work. The installer will look for all files in one location to install the OS. In fact, as far as I know, ONLY using a double layer recordable DVD or a recordable Blu-Ray disc will work in this case. Theoretically, if you wanted to span the ISO across multiple discs, you could create one DVD+-R with the boot image from the ISO, copy as many files from it to that bootable disc you're going to make as possible, and burn it. Then, create a 2nd disc with the rest of the files. However, this is very difficult. I've yet to get the hang of setting the various boot image settings in ImgBurn to correctly create my own OS install discs. And, as I said, I would think it's a waste of time as the install application would look for all the files across one disc. If you're not interested in this disc booting, you could just create 2 DVD's yourself, copying as many files as you can fit onto the first and then the remaining files onto the second. However, you'd be swapping out DVD's at least once during install, IF it even works at all. As I said, the easiest solution is use a double layer recordable DVD or a recordable Blu-Ray.

Must have been the DataLife Plus Verbatim CD-R's. Mine are also said to be made in China.

Yes, the DualShock was the controller for the Playstation that introduced vibration and dual analog sticks. I, too, have no idea why he included that and why that matters. I, too, have said don't keep using the Moser Baer discs. If you keep reusing those Disc ID's, you're getting nowhere when you keep burning with them. Troubleshooting the problem will go nowhere because we already know your drive has a problem with those or they're cheap discs.

When you say the CD works in your friends PC, do you mean you can burn these discs on his PC or that they play in his CD player? It must be you can burn these Moser Baer discs on his PC because the first log shows you didn't complete a burn before. So, you're either testing these discs that worked or you're burning on his PC. Don't keep trying the Moser Baer discs. They may be cheap media causing the failures or your burner may not like that particular brand of Verbatim Moser Baer and that is causing the random failures. Try getting the DataLife Plus CD-R. They're the quality Verbatim CD-R. However, depending on where you live, you may not be able to find DataLife Plus. The fact that some of your burns work and some don't lean towards the idea that Moser Baer CD-R may be cheap media. Or your drive doesn't like that manufacturer, so your results will randomly work or fail.

In this burn that failed when you switched the media, what's the Disc ID in the Destination Media Type listed in the log? For instance, above when you posted the log before: I 20:33:30 Destination Media Type: CD-R (Disc ID: 97m17s06f, Moser Baer India)

The probable reason you're getting some successes and some failure is that lower quality media is very iffy. Even the bottom of the barrel CMC will work sometimes 50 percent of the time. You say they're Verbatim, but they're actually Moser Baer India. While in other parts of the world quality Verbatim may be Moser Baer, I'm not familiar with them. There is varying quality of Verbatim media since Verbatim farms out some of their CD production to CMC. In North America, Verbatim CD-R in brick and mortar stores will be the low quality CMC Life series. What you want from CD-R from Verbatim is DataLife Plus. NOT Life series. DataLife Plus. You can only find those in North America on online stores, so it's probably the same in other parts of the world. BTW, you do realize you can't just copy Playstation game CD's and expect them to work in a regular Playstation, right? Otherwise, you're wasting your time burning CD-R for playing purposes.

Ritek, especially Ritek in non North American territories like the UK, are apparently poor quality media. I've had little problem with them, except for DVD+R DL. But, only Verbatim MKM DVD+R DL are any good. Over half of the Ritek ones I tested weren't readable after a few years. Ritek DVD-R I've had little problem with except for the Playstation 3. It plays them back with skips. Ricoh/Ridata, and it's apparently Ricoh, Ridata, and Ritek are all the same thing, have been a little bit better. They're the only ones who make 8x DVD+RW that aren't crap CMC's. However, Ridata 8x DVD+RW's only have about a 20 write life span before they die. I'd also see if you have better luck with actual MKM Verbatim media. However, not all Verbatim is created equal. Their Life series (NOT DataLife Plus.) is cheap CMC junk.

Yeah, my thinking was the media manufacturer, too. I also would have pinned it down to a fluke. You get some discs that burn sometimes with iffy media and sometimes they don't burn. I would say you just happened to get a burn that worked when you converted the files. The type of files in the image would have no bearing on whether a burn would fail or not.

As long as you don't put those files in the folder on the Blu-Ray movie that stores the movie, I forget what it's called, it should be fine. Whatever folder contains the most file size will be the folder you want to avoid. I put files and folders in the root directory of DVD Video discs all the time. Things like cover art and a folder structure that tells me the title of the DVD for easy access. Standalone Blu-Ray players, of course, are dependent on the manufacturer so you could get a picky one that might complain. It shouldn't, but that doesn't mean it won't. If you've got a BD-RE DL that you know your player will play, you can always test to that first.

Also, ImgBurn won't read in protected movie discs without some kind of decrypting layer like AnyDVD present. Well, it may read them, but you won't be able to get any useful information out of it. Sort of like how you can copy a CSS protected VIDEO_TS to your hard disk in Windows/File Explorer, but the contents won't be usable.

To check on LUK's possibility, try inserting one of these DVD+R's that don't play properly in a PC drive and open ImgBurn in Read mode. Try reading this disc to an image file. If it reads without error, then the problem is probably either in the player or the software that created the DVD to begin with. If there are read errors, then the disc itself is unreadable or the drive you inserted it in doesn't like those CMC discs. It is possible, but don't ask me HOW, that a disc can pass Write, pass Verify, but be unreadable. I just had one such disc earlier in the week. I burned a disc to a DVD+RW that passed Write and Verify, but the Playstation 3 would not recognize it was inserted. Inserting it in a PC drive just caused the drive's light to flash infinitely trying to read it. So, the disc was actually unreadable. I still can't fathom how a disc can pass Write, pass Verify, but be unreadable.

I can but try.

If you want to check that the ISO is fine, you can install Virtual CloneDrive, mount the ISO, and then play its contents in your preferred DVD software player. However, be aware that computers are more forgiving than a stand alone DVD player. So, what may play on your PC may not play in a stand alone DVD player. However, since you say some discs play and some don't, you can probably rule out the ISO files. That seems more indicative of the CMC discs. I had several cake stacks of Optodisc DVD-R before I learned about CMC. They were stacks of 200 discs. About half would burn, verify, and play. Half wouldn't complete a burn. That just goes to show the varying quality of CMC within the same cake stack.

The wrapper will not tell you the Disc ID, which is the actual manufacturer who made it. Companies don't want you to know this information because if you knew, you might not buy their cheap media masquerading as something else. The only way to tell the actual manufacturer is to put a disc in a drive, open ImgBurn in Write or Read mode, and check for the Disc ID/Manufacturer field in the right pane of information. Oh, man, the issues with CMC media... There are longevity issues with them. Sometimes they last for a while. Sometimes they're unreadable after a year. There's reflectivity issues with them, which causes playback problems with DVD players. They may be unable to recognize a CMC disc has been inserted. CMC Lightscribe DVD+R would not be recognized in the DVD player my mother had. The primary issue with CMC media is their general low quality, which causes them to fail to finish burning or fail to pass Verify. Most of the problems on this board are caused by cheap CMC media. Most people find their problems miraculously disappear when they stop using CMC discs. It's not always the case, of course, but it is the case in the majority of issues.

The first debugging step I'd take is to stop using the cheap CMC Magnetics discs. I 08:29:20 Destination Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: CMC MAG-M01-00) CMC Magnetics is the worst manufacturer of optical discs out there. Half the time they fail to burn. Half of those fail to Verify. And half of those that do pass both steps fail to play in DVD players. Try Verbatim DataLife Plus discs you can only find online. Do NOT get Verbatim Life series DVD's from brick and mortar stores. They will be CMC's. As for posting a Notepad version of the log, GET OUT! Just kidding. I prefer the ability to see the log as text, anyway, versus an image posted or attached to a post. So, I'd guess others might prefer it that way, too.

If you want to edit an ISO directly, try UltraISO. It's what I use. However, it's not free.

Yeah, if a double layer media is going to fail, it will generally fail somewhere around the layer change as happened here. Try VERBATIM Disc ID media. Your drive, probably, just doesn't like RITEK media. Besides, even if it burned correctly, you might have had playback issues with RITEK BD-R in Blu-Ray players. I know the Playstation 3 doesn't like to play them properly.

All the signs were pointing to the enclosure as being the most likely culprit. Traxdata, yeah, isn't exactly high quality media. So, crapping out on that isn't a surprise. Especially since it worked on a Verbatim, which as long as it's not BD-RE, should be high quality media. Verbatim does farm out to crap company CMC Magnetics for its BD-RE SL.

LUK, I don't know if you remember a few years ago, I posted something about how dragging and dropping a list of multiple files into a job sometimes only adds the first file. I have to manually drag and drop the list of files a 2nd time to add all the files. I couldn't reproduce the problem so it was never examined any further. However, I believe I have isolated the factors necessary to reproduce it. It happens when you drag and drop a list of files where you have multiple files of the same common text string at the start of their names BUT they're not ALL named the same thing. For instance, here's a sort of list of file names where it happens: Doctor Who 1 Doctor Who 2 Doctor Who 3 Doctor Who 4 Doctor Who 5 Doctor Who 6 Loose Cannon 1 Loose Cannon 2 Loose Cannon 3 Loose Cannon 4 If I drag and drop this list of files the first time, it only adds Doctor Who 1. If I drag and drop that same list a second time, it adds all the files. And it appears that dragging and dropping any files after this will always add the full list of files. It only happens when ImgBurn is initially opened and the first list of multiple files of this criteria is dragged and dropped into a job. Any future dragging and dropping will always add the full list of files. Close ImgBurn, reopen it, and the issue returns until you drag and drop the list the 2nd time. Then all future dragging and dropping will always add the full list of files. So, I don't know if this is something in ImgBurn or Microsoft's programming language interface that handles multiple file names lists of the criteria I designated.