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This is an interesting case. Generally, it's VLC that doesn't playback the ISO correctly, but the ISO is fine. Not the other way around after burning it. When you play the burned DVD, is it on a DVD drive in your PC or a standalone DVD player? If it's on a PC, are you using VLC to play the DVD or another software?

I've been at a loss the last few years for my annual cynical Christmas song. So, I've thought a little outside the box. While not necessarily a Christmas song, this does come from the 1970's Scrooge musical: I Hate People! "Scavengers and sycophants and flatterers and fools Pharisees and parasites and hypocrites and ghouls Calculating swindlers, prevaricating frauds Perpetrating evil as they roam the earth in hordes Feeding on their fellow men Reaping rich rewards Contaminating everything they see Corrupting honest me like me Humbug! Poppycock! Balderdash! Bah! I hate people! I hate people! People are despicable creatures Loathesome inexplicable creatures Good-for-nothing kickable creatures I hate people! I abhor them! When I see the indolent classes Sitting on their indolent asses Gulping ale from indolent glasses I hate people! I detest them! I deplore them! Fools who have no money spend it Get in debt then try to end it Beg me on their knees befriend them Knowing I have cash to lend them Soft-hearted me! Hard-working me! Clean-living, thrifty and kind as can be! Situations like this are of interest to me I hate people! I loathe people! I despise and abominate people! Life is full of cretinous wretches Earning what their sweatiness fetches Empty minds whose pettiness stretches Further than I can see Little wonder I hate people And I don't care if they hate me!"

I can't speak for the author, but I would think it's highly unlikely. This vulnerability appears to affect Java, which is mostly a web application language, although it does appear in some hardware dedicated software and in things such as Blu-Ray players. I doubt Java is used in ImgBurn's generation. I believe I asked once what it's written in and I believe, though I'm not certain, it's C++. Could be Visual C++.

Okay, there's no inherent issues with burning PS2 discs that aren't related to getting a bad ISO if you downloaded them. So, you don't need specific burners to burn PS2 discs.

Not only that, but Adult Swim brought back King Of The Hill after years of being off its schedule!

Your problem is probably this: I 17:26:29 Destination Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: CMC MAG-M01-00) Don't use the cheap CMC junk. CMC Magnetics is responsible for over half of the problems we see on this board. You probably got some Verbatim Life Series discs from a brick and mortar store. Try the Verbatim DataLife Plus/AZO stuff you only find in online stores. While it's not a 100% cure all, most problems disappear when people stop using CMC discs. Another problem could be the fact you're trying to burn a game disc. Is this an XBox 360 game disc? If so, you need specific burners for DL discs, but I don't know about SL discs.

DVD+R DL are much more common that DVD-R DL. I don't know if they even still make DVD-R DL. DVD+R DL were way superior, anyway. DVD-R is a different beast to DVD+R DL. DVD-R (The single layer stuff. Not DVD-R DL.) is far more likely to succeed in a write operation in terms of how many times they're going to fail versus a DVD+R DL. I only use DVD+R DL for DVD Video discs that need 2 layers. If I'm going to make any kind of archive or data storage to disc, it will be to BD-R/RE, even if it fits on a DVD+R DL, DVD-R, or CD. I use DVD+RW for temporary DVD Video discs. I also use BD-RE for bootable discs if they fit on a CD-RW. If they're smaller than a certain size, bootable discs also go to BD-RE. If they're a certain size, 8x DVD+RW is faster writing. CD-R is only for CD Audio discs. CD-RW is only for temporary CD Audio discs. I use some DVD+RW discs for temporary storage if they're a certain size. With 8x DVD+RW, you don't get 8x write speeds until 2 and a half minutes into writing at 6x speed. Then, the speed increases to the 8x maximum. So, if the size of the disc is less than the 2.5 minutes at 6x, it goes to BD-RE, 2x is faster than 6x DVD+RW.

Well, not necessarily. For instance, DVD+RW can still burn successfully, but DVD+R DL may not. Or DVD-R may work but DVD+R DL doesn't. The most common failure of the CD/DVD laser is burning DVD+R DL. Wait, are we talking about DVD+R DL or DVD-R's? Your failure log was for DVD+R DL but you mentioned just before DVD-R's from "this batch." If they're DVD-R or DVD+R DL, it could be that if they've been sitting around for years, it could be that once the dyes are burnt, they last longer than if the dyes are still not burnt. I don't know what the shelf life of a DVD-R/DVD+R DL that hasn't been written to yet is just sitting around. Getting back to the original problem, the cheapest and easiest solution is to try buying a new stack of discs. However, this may not be an apples to oranges comparison because over the course of 5 years, the manufacturer may have changed the manufacturing process so the resulting discs aren't the same anymore. They may be better, but, generally, changes are for the worse. Replacing the burner is the more expensive and labor intensive option, particularly if it's an internal model. Getting a USB one makes it easier to replace, of course.

You can't make the conclusion that just because BD burning works that the hardware is OK. There are actually 2 lasers in a BD burner: one for CD and DVD and one for BD. It is quite common for one laser to stop working while the other still works. I've run into both cases: where DVD was working but BD wasn't and where BD was working but DVD wasn't. Also, because BD-RE works doesn't necessarily mean that BD-R is. Same with DVD. DVD-/+RW could be working but WORM DVD is not, etc.

Ah, now, that is some pertinent information. Could be a few things. If these discs worked fine for years and if you're using a stack you've already been using, then the indication would be your drive has given up the ghost and needs replacing. Another possibility is if these discs have been sitting around for 5 years, then they could have gone bad. I don't know how long discs can sit on a shelf before they become unwritable. Given this new information, the first thing I'd try is getting another stack of discs. See if those work any better. If they don't, then I'd try replacing the burner. Now, given what I've said, what I said earlier about Verbatim DataLife Plus stands. I had some Ritek (Pretty much the same as Ricoh.) DVD+R DL once. Out of 3, 2 of them were unreadable over a year later. Just because discs finish burning and verifying and play doesn't mean they'll last. So, I would still recommend switching to higher quality media as MKM DVD+R DL are the only quality ones. It will work out better in the long run.

Could be this: I 12:19:48 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RICOHJPN-D01-67) The only reliable make of DVD+R DL are the DataLife Plus ones made by Verbatim, NOT the Life Series. The DataLife Plus can only be found in online stores. They are also under the descriptive of AZO discs. Although, generally, lower quality DVD+R DL discs don't fail at the start of Layer 0, but Layer 1. Anyway, I would first start with the better quality discs and see if that helps. Most DL problems on this board disappear when people switch to the DataLife Plus kind.

@discuser Do me a favor, if you would. When the Pioneer 213 series becomes available, please let me know in a reply in this thread. Or by a private message if you want to. Thanks!

ISO's downloaded from the net are generally buggy.

I always downloaded the Drive Utility for all Pioneer burners I've owned that offered it. I always disable the low noise function because I prefer faster write speeds versus quiet operation.

Well, that wasn't really my problem. I use Verbatim MCC DVD-R or Taiyo Yuden genuine DVD-R for those uses.

Could be the use of CMC MAG discs. Try swapping those out for Verbatim DataLife Plus CD-R. NOT the Life Series you'll find in brick and mortar stores as those are CMC. If you still get the same error, especially with multiple ISO's you're trying to burn, the problem would most likely lie with your burner.

Last time I used Maxell DVD-R (Maybe +R.) like a decade ago, they were Ritek.

I'm going by experience simply trying to put ODD's into cases. It was always struggle for me because of my large hands. And, working with screws is a bit difficult for that reason. That's why I used to buy thumbscrews for ODD's until they started making the case interiors so cramped that the panels wouldn't go back on with thumbscrews attached. I use BD-RE for my bootable stuff, even if it fits on a CD or DVD-5. Because BD-RE writes faster, unless you're dealing with a sizeable DVD-5, which once you reach a certain amount of space written to 8x DVD+RW, the speed increase is faster than a 2x BD-RE. It takes about 2.5 minutes of writing data to an 8x DVD+RW before the full 8x kicks in, writing at only 6x. (Optiarc DVD writers never had this limitation, though, always going to 8x from the start.) I do write a good number of Macrium Reflect Rescue Media, which are bootable, so I have dedicated BD-RE since those reach only about 700 MB.

I had an Amazon.com page bookmarked for a 212 burner soon. Today, it was listed as In Stock Soon. Order Now. However, I highly doubt they will get any more stock, considering if Pionner did discontinue the 212 line in favor of a 213. The good news is by the time I can get the money together for the 212, the 213 may be available for me to test with. I'm curious if the Pioneer works well with the Imation 8x DVD+RW. They have a different MID to the Ricoh/Ritek 8x DVD+RW that I still have that were discontinued. It was those discontinued ones which the Pioneer firmware has had such difficulty with, but maybe the MID of the Imation ones work better.

I can't really build my own rig because of the size of my hands. I'm 6 foot 6 and a half and my hands are pretty large. It's difficult to work inside of a tower for me. So, I've never built my own machines. I just get Dell's, which I'm (Generally.) happy with. Dell's used to have 2 half height bays in them until like 4 years ago, when I got my first Dell that had a slim BD in it.

If I had a PC tower that supported half height bays and had 2 of them, I would keep 2 BD drives. The WH16NS60 for reading and writing DVD, CD, and BR-RE and a Pioneer for BD-R. Unlike the NS60, on Pioneer models, you actually can get 16x write speeds on 16x BD-R. However, my tower only has 1 slim bay in it, so my NS60 is housed in a VanTech USB 3.0 enclosure. I used to rock dual ODD's in my towers back when they made PC's with half height bays and had an extra one in them. I had a Pioneer BD and a LiteOn for DVD and CD.

Regressing the firmware on Pioneer BD drives was never officially supported by the company. As you said, the updaters themselves strictly state you "can't" go back, even though, of course, you can... just with a little outside help. Years ago, LUK directed me to an unsupported utility that lets you regress the firmware back. You just extract the firmware package from the updater and feed it into the utility. I only use CD and DVD for playing Audio CD and DVD Video. Everything else goes to BD-R for storage, even if it fits on a smaller media. With the price of BD-R being what it is, it's affordable enough to "waste" the space to get the longer life storage of BD-R. The only reason I'm using DVD+RW at all is for temporary DVD Video discs to test before I make the final DVD-R of things like my VHS tape library I've been converting to DVD over the last 2 years.

The WH does include a disc of software. Some PowerDVD stuff and a few other utilities from the same company. I just got a WH last week and got yet another of those discs which I don't need. As I said, it's been a while since I had a BH, but I think the WH also had some faster write speeds for BD media versus the BH. But, that could be fixed by firmware updates, you'd think.

BTW, I'm curious about your Ritek 8x DVD+RW. What is the MID on these you wrote in a Pioneer drive and which Pioneer drive was it, if it was, in fact, a Pioneer that you wrote them in? As far as I know, Ritek is the only manufacturer still making 8x DVD+RW. And they can only be purchased in Imation branded discs. If you can find other Ritek 8x DVD+RW, let me know where you got them. I've got a few left over Ricoh/Ritek branded 8x DVD+RW that I bought 4 years ago when Amazon.com had only 3 of these left: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000B8FRF4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I bought them out of stock. The only Ritek 8x DVD+RW I can find now are these: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E3G32O8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 They don't have to be Ritek. If you can find ANY 8x DVD+RW, let me know where you got them.

No, not incredibly bad luck. Repeated tests bear out it's the firmware. I try unformatted discs: failure. I then regress the firmware back: success. I then try fully formatting a disc that had failed after regressing the firmware back: success. Repeated unformatted disc tests for years bear out the same results. Your success MAY have been on a Pioneer, BUT it was definitely written on a different drive. Initially, some Pioneer firmware would work IF the disc was first fully formatted on a different drive. Any formatting the Pioneer firmware would do failed. However, even that workaround eventually stopped working. Discs formatted in other drives, like the LG WH16NS60, would also fail on future Pioneer firmware.